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Re: Ask HN: Do you think there's room for a Point of Sales webapp?

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I think the two prior comments about having a robust system with 100% uptime are on the money. It definitely can't be laggy, either. I'd suggest the following reality check. Set up a "head to head" test vs. a cash register. Give someone basic training, and have them run through a list of transactions. Is your app as snappy and responsive as the hardware of the cash register? How does it compare to the cost of a cash…

The head to head test vs. a cash register is a fantastic idea, thank you! Basically, from what I've seen thus far, cost-wise I'd like the webapp to be the affordable solution, 'cause most of these POS setups can get really pricey from the get go.

Speed is pretty snappy right now, but this can vary once it's running with a couple of actual clients on, so I'll have to look into it a bit more carefully, start caching whatever's possible to, and so forth, so thank you for that suggestion as well.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think there's room for a Point of Sales webapp?

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Take a look at Vend: http://www.vendhq.com/ They are a cloud-hosted, browser-based POS system with full offline service. And they've just announced series B funding so others also believe there is a market there.

Thanks julian, definitely hitting up many of the same areas as my idea, but hopefully there's room for another option in the market. As they say, always nice when someone else validates the idea.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think there's room for a Point of Sales webapp?

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Having researched potential PoS systems for a local shop I can say there is a lot of room for improving the PoS products but I'm far from convinced it's actually lucrative to provide such solutions. As rick888 is pointing out you will definitely need a solution that is forgiving towards system threats. The system needs to be functional in all sorts of conditions.

I was looking at a suscription model, kind of like what the 37 signals guys do, but with more affordable pricing. I was thinking something like $20-$30 a month for the basic package. Thank you for your pointer about functionality and system threats, I hadn't really thought about that and will be looking into it very thoroughly.

Why the downvotes? Too pricey?

Re: Ask HN: Do you think there's room for a Point of Sales webapp?

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Having researched potential PoS systems for a local shop I can say there is a lot of room for improving the PoS products but I'm far from convinced it's actually lucrative to provide such solutions. As rick888 is pointing out you will definitely need a solution that is forgiving towards system threats. The system needs to be functional in all sorts of conditions.

I was looking at a suscription model, kind of like what the 37 signals guys do, but with more affordable pricing. I was thinking something like $20-$30 a month for the basic package. Thank you for your pointer about functionality and system threats, I hadn't really thought about that and will be looking into it very thoroughly.

In my case suscription models with somewhat absolute pricing were attractive because it provides a way to even out the money cost over time.

But the price was not the only thing in consideration when it came to costs. The concerns my client had with suscription model was if the provider would still exist and provide same service in a year, or in five years for that matter. The amount of time they had to invest for the PoS (which was with inventory management) needed to be secured. They were okay with phasing in the inventory over a long period (it was a specialty store with a huge inventory) given the system didn't rely on being functional if only it knew the inventory - as long as the time investment couldn't be lost. Should the PoS provider go bankrupt or otherwise stop the service they wanted to be sure their effort time-wise wasn't worthless and could be ported somewhere else. Contracts with a minimum binding periods was okay as long as it didn't mean the time they used the system couldn't benefit them elsewhere.

Someone pointed out that the robustness wasn't a deal-breaker because you could revert to handwriting receipts. It's true that you can just do that but the point about PoS isn't just that it's slightly more effective than a calculator that can print out receipts for customers. A PoS grants valuable data. Even older cash-registers have data capabilities such as who the salesperson was and time of purchase. If you can provide great analytic tools for the data it has gathered, that'll be a major improvement of many available PoS systems.

But store owners also care about stability very much. If the system doesn't work when there's internet shortage they won't be happy. No electricity is probably only acceptable factor when it comes to having a PoS on a computer. If the system is slow and customers are waiting because there's unstable internet they will also be dissatisfied. Debit card processing all goes over the internet and when it's slow customers have bad experiences but at least they know it's because the internet is messing up and some ISP probably is to blame. If the cash-register is screwing it up they will blame the store.

I've worked in a store for a couple of years as a sales person so if you have more questions I'd be happy to help. I'm available through email: pierre@snowboardforbundet.com.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think there's room for a Point of Sales webapp?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was looking at a suscription model, kind of like what the 37 signals guys do, but with more affordable pricing. I was thinking something like $20-$30 a month for the basic package. Thank you for your pointer about functionality and system threats, I hadn't really thought about that and will be looking into it very thoroughly.

Why the downvotes? Too pricey?

Not sure why someone down-voted that... But it doesn't sound too pricey as long as it does what it needs to do and it does it well. 20-30 dollars is probably what most store owners pay just for being able to accept credit cards. In my country the credit card terminal alone costs the same as a mid-end desktop computer and you still pay for the service to be able to accept credit cards and in some cases fees for the processing.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think there's room for a Point of Sales webapp?

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I hate to break this to you, but for any larger merchant, you're going to be SOL, for one basic reason: PCI compliance. Unless you spend a ridiculous amount of time and money researching and implementing things like key management, credit card tokenization, and the like, no level 1 or level 2 merchant will look at you.

For level 3 and level 4 merchants, you may have a shot-- especially if you can seamlessly upgrade the application to add more functionality, allow for customization, etc. Basically a Shopify for the real world.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think there's room for a Point of Sales webapp?

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I hate to break this to you, but for any larger merchant, you're going to be SOL, for one basic reason: PCI compliance. Unless you spend a ridiculous amount of time and money researching and implementing things like key management, credit card tokenization, and the like, no level 1 or level 2 merchant will look at you. For level 3 and level 4 merchants, you may have a shot-- especially if you can seamlessly upgrade t…

Hi mark, thank you for your comment. The product is definitely more geared to smaller shops, level 3 and 4 as you said. However, I'm beginning to think that maybe looking into PCI compliance wouldn't be a bad idea.

Thanks again.

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