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Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Does anyone have a pointer to studies on the effects of electric vehicles in the used car market?

I ask because the lifespan of current batteries seems to be around 8 years (going by manufacturers' warranties), and the battery pack amounts to approximately 30% of the price of the car. So people buying an used electric car will likely face a large maintenance cost after a while.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Isn't that a strange thing, considering Norway is vast, has low population density especially in the north, and has own oil resources available?

Norway isn't really that vast. It's about the size of New Mexico but has twice the population density.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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20% of Norway's GDP comes from pumping oil out of the ground and selling it for others to burn. If they were really green that would stop.

At least they are using that money for citizens and green energy instead of Ferrari's of the royal family

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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There's a huge price difference between electric cars and gas fueled cars here in Norway. Gas fueled car buyers have to pay both 25 percent VAT and an additional tax on purchase. Buyers don't have to pay neither of those taxes if they buy an electric car. The singer of the group A-ha, Morten Harket, bought an electrical car in 1989 and refused to pay road tolls and ignored all the subsequent fines. That got a lot of attention, and Norway ended up having very affordable electrical cars compared to gas fueled cars. Norway is one of Tesla's main market.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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post #7

Isn't that a strange thing, considering Norway is vast, has low population density especially in the north, and has own oil resources available?

Norway is wealthy thanks to selling fossil fuels. Norwegians feel guilty about that, but not guilty enough to stop selling them. This is essentially performative environmentalism from them. Still, it will help other countries by throwing up unforeseen problems in all-electric ground transportation, and some solutions.

I don't think it's a country of virtue signallers as you think, just people who like to get the best bang for their buck. And gas cars as well as fuel get taxed so much, that buying electric makes sense for them.

Who would've thunk, economic incentives help!? Sadly in many other places the deciding economic incentives are the ones the politicians get from the oil and ICE car industry.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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post #13

20% of Norway's GDP comes from pumping oil out of the ground and selling it for others to burn. If they were really green that would stop.

At least they are using that money for citizens and green energy instead of Ferrari's of the royal family

Ferarris don't contribute at all to global warming relatively. The many Gulfstream's and 747's the wealthy own are actually statistically significant in terms of impact.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Does anyone have a pointer to studies on the effects of electric vehicles in the used car market? I ask because the lifespan of current batteries seems to be around 8 years (going by manufacturers' warranties), and the battery pack amounts to approximately 30% of the price of the car. So people buying an used electric car will likely face a large maintenance cost after a while.

Best I could find with a quick search. I think it's still too early for a proper study.

https://insideevs.com/news/405885/tesla-model-s-battery-afte...

https://electrek.co/2020/06/06/tesla-battery-degradation-rep...

https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/how-long-does-a-tesla-ba...

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Does anyone have a pointer to studies on the effects of electric vehicles in the used car market? I ask because the lifespan of current batteries seems to be around 8 years (going by manufacturers' warranties), and the battery pack amounts to approximately 30% of the price of the car. So people buying an used electric car will likely face a large maintenance cost after a while.

Unless they programmed it to go bad as soon as the warranty expires I wouldn’t be so worried about it. The Tesla model S is about 8 years old now for the earliest models and I don’t think I’ve heard about them going bad.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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post #7

Isn't that a strange thing, considering Norway is vast, has low population density especially in the north, and has own oil resources available?

Norway is wealthy thanks to selling fossil fuels. Norwegians feel guilty about that, but not guilty enough to stop selling them. This is essentially performative environmentalism from them. Still, it will help other countries by throwing up unforeseen problems in all-electric ground transportation, and some solutions.

Norway has been doing a relatively good job of investing their oil revenue into technologies and infrastructure that will carry their economy through the end of oil and hopefully help reduce global warming.

Given their relatively contribution to the total global production and OPEC's supply management to control prices, it is unclear if a halt in Norwegian oil sales would raise prices significantly enough to matter. There is an argument to be made that is is better for Norway to capture those profit and invest them into the research we need to reduce oil dependence and sequester CO2.

I don't think that the electric car adoption is purely driven by environmentalism. Norway has extremely cheap energy that makes electric cars much more economically attractive.

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