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We have to evolve synthetically To avoid our doom

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Re: We have to evolve synthetically To avoid our doom

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In order to avoid our doom, we must grow distributed food forests inside towns and cities. Here's how to start now: https://youtu.be/AJCv7wIolwM

Why would we want to grow our food on 2% of our most expensive land? Land that is already used for lots of other things?

Re: We have to evolve synthetically To avoid our doom

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Ah, yes, eugenics. Considering that intelligence seems to be correlated with autism spectral disorders, and individuals with severe autism are in need of individual care for their entire lives, are you sure that's it's smart to optimize for raw intelligence?

I think you have nothing to fear. I'm all in favor of breeding genetic disorders out of the species and there's a whole bunch we can eliminate before we get into murky ethical territory. Religion can bite me on this one. But also, take a look around you. The species isn't going to optimize for intelligence. It's going to optimize for looks. That's just how we're wired. And that will destroy a lot of plastic surgeon j…

"breeding out" is the horrible version of eugenics.

Gene editing is the less family destroying, individual abusing way to go. As long as it's more focused on disease removal and less about having thousands of [insert favorite movie star/model here] walking around.

Like klyrs said, we want some weird in the gene pool

Re: We have to evolve synthetically To avoid our doom

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post #11
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In order to avoid our doom, we must grow distributed food forests inside towns and cities. Here's how to start now: https://youtu.be/AJCv7wIolwM

Why would we want to grow our food on 2% of our most expensive land? Land that is already used for lots of other things?

Because you don't need energy, human or otherwise to ship food or material to where the people are. Because we stack functions through time and space. Because it solves the distribution problem. Because it's already working and all we need to do is expand. Because the sun's shines everywhere. Because polyculture allows for more variety and a single crop failure doesn't need to be insured. Because we could close loops naturally and avoid polluting, we would feed animals like chickens food scraps and compost locally in the gardens and forests. Because we can do better.

Re: We have to evolve synthetically To avoid our doom

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post #11
post #2

In order to avoid our doom, we must grow distributed food forests inside towns and cities. Here's how to start now: https://youtu.be/AJCv7wIolwM

Why would we want to grow our food on 2% of our most expensive land? Land that is already used for lots of other things?

Think of the real estate value living near the food forest... Like central park in NYC, why don't we cut that in half and put up more high rises on our precious expensive land.

Re: We have to evolve synthetically To avoid our doom

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would we want to grow our food on 2% of our most expensive land? Land that is already used for lots of other things?

Think of the real estate value living near the food forest... Like central park in NYC, why don't we cut that in half and put up more high rises on our precious expensive land.

I cannot tell if you are trolling but central park is an oasis in a hellscape that is NYC.

Re: We have to evolve synthetically To avoid our doom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, yes, eugenics. Considering that intelligence seems to be correlated with autism spectral disorders, and individuals with severe autism are in need of individual care for their entire lives, are you sure that's it's smart to optimize for raw intelligence?

I think you have nothing to fear. I'm all in favor of breeding genetic disorders out of the species and there's a whole bunch we can eliminate before we get into murky ethical territory. Religion can bite me on this one. But also, take a look around you. The species isn't going to optimize for intelligence. It's going to optimize for looks. That's just how we're wired. And that will destroy a lot of plastic surgeon j…

This is absolute nonsense. It’s accepted in science we select for biological traits like scent, and social standing; intelligence being a key component of a persons social standing.

Even when people find someone attractive it doesn’t mean they just get together. This is some high school level perspective way off base from a contemporary relationship.

Just because the words create a believable scenario does not mean you’re anywhere close to a probable one.

Re: We have to evolve synthetically To avoid our doom

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post #13
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would we want to grow our food on 2% of our most expensive land? Land that is already used for lots of other things?

Because you don't need energy, human or otherwise to ship food or material to where the people are. Because we stack functions through time and space. Because it solves the distribution problem. Because it's already working and all we need to do is expand. Because the sun's shines everywhere. Because polyculture allows for more variety and a single crop failure doesn't need to be insured. Because we could close loops…

Transportation today is highly efficient and the energy required per ton-mile of food is tiny. But go ahead and grow your crops in the city if that's what you want. No one is stopping you.

Re: We have to evolve synthetically To avoid our doom

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This is a pretty poor article. First of all, the title has nothing really at all to do with the content. Second, its extremely short, and third, superficial with no real substance and lots of keyword stuffing and presuppositions. "If we develop AGI this is how it will be followed by this and then that"

Philosophical sophistication is rare, especially among those who get off on fantasy. Too many people in tech make utter fools of themselves in this regard without realizing it.

Re: We have to evolve synthetically To avoid our doom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you have nothing to fear. I'm all in favor of breeding genetic disorders out of the species and there's a whole bunch we can eliminate before we get into murky ethical territory. Religion can bite me on this one. But also, take a look around you. The species isn't going to optimize for intelligence. It's going to optimize for looks. That's just how we're wired. And that will destroy a lot of plastic surgeon j…

"breeding out" is the horrible version of eugenics. Gene editing is the less family destroying, individual abusing way to go. As long as it's more focused on disease removal and less about having thousands of [insert favorite movie star/model here] walking around. Like klyrs said, we want some weird in the gene pool

Gene editing is also the only way we'll get offworld-hardy humans. The time it will take to naturally select, when throwing unfit after unfit is impractical. This is still the same concept as "thousands of [model here] walking around", but with a focus on different traits.

This is all far-future when we are more experienced and knowledgeable about genes in total, at least after having made loads of mistakes. That's worrying, but inevitable.

Re: We have to evolve synthetically To avoid our doom

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you have nothing to fear. I'm all in favor of breeding genetic disorders out of the species and there's a whole bunch we can eliminate before we get into murky ethical territory. Religion can bite me on this one. But also, take a look around you. The species isn't going to optimize for intelligence. It's going to optimize for looks. That's just how we're wired. And that will destroy a lot of plastic surgeon j…

This is absolute nonsense. It’s accepted in science we select for biological traits like scent, and social standing; intelligence being a key component of a persons social standing. Even when people find someone attractive it doesn’t mean they just get together. This is some high school level perspective way off base from a contemporary relationship. Just because the words create a believable scenario does not mean y…

Have you checked out the plastic surgery fetishization of South Korea lately? Have you seen that guy who sued his wife because she got plastic surgery to become beautiful but then bore him an apparently ugly child? You overestimate humanity and underestimate their vanity.

https://kdvr.com/news/chinese-man-sues-wins-120000/

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