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Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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We need “unprecedented measures” to stop and reverse the “unprecedented” damage we have caused to the planet and its climate.

Desperate times call for desperate measures, and if the past year of climate catastrophes has shown us anything, it’s high time we act.

Yes, the proposed changes might be inconvenient but it’s time we suck it up and do the needful. Small steps are not good enough. We need drastic measures.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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The Build Back Better bill (or reconciliation bill) is the only real climate legislation that will plausibly be signed into law in the United States in the 2020s. It offers a meaningful path forward for the US to curb its carbon emissions. Opposing it means you oppose doing anything about mitigating the climate crisis within the United States from a federal legislative perspective within a timeframe where we can reas…

> that will plausibly be signed into law in the United States in the 2020s

Its 2021... not a chance you can claim that. One thing that is certain is that the US wont pass the 3.5 trillion dollar bill - there is zero path forward for it at this point.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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post #12

The Build Back Better bill (or reconciliation bill) is the only real climate legislation that will plausibly be signed into law in the United States in the 2020s. It offers a meaningful path forward for the US to curb its carbon emissions. Opposing it means you oppose doing anything about mitigating the climate crisis within the United States from a federal legislative perspective within a timeframe where we can reas…

> that will plausibly be signed into law in the United States in the 2020s Its 2021... not a chance you can claim that. One thing that is certain is that the US wont pass the 3.5 trillion dollar bill - there is zero path forward for it at this point.

Redistricting plus midterm effects means that Democrats will lose their trifecta in January 2023. They’ll be unlikely to regain it, if they’re lucky, until the end of the decade. The party of climate denialism (the ones that start with R) isn’t going to get on board with climate legislation.

Also where do I state any certainty about the price tag?

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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The Build Back Better bill (or reconciliation bill) is the only real climate legislation that will plausibly be signed into law in the United States in the 2020s. It offers a meaningful path forward for the US to curb its carbon emissions. Opposing it means you oppose doing anything about mitigating the climate crisis within the United States from a federal legislative perspective within a timeframe where we can reas…

> Opposing it means you oppose ...

If life were so simple. Of course, the reality is this bill covers everything from child tax credits, paid leaves, to god knows what else.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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We need “unprecedented measures” to stop and reverse the “unprecedented” damage we have caused to the planet and its climate. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and if the past year of climate catastrophes has shown us anything, it’s high time we act. Yes, the proposed changes might be inconvenient but it’s time we suck it up and do the needful. Small steps are not good enough. We need drastic measures.

The proposed changes include a $12,000 tax rebate on buying a new electric car, weatherization incentives for homes, and will probably include sweet deals on solar panels. Where’s the inconvenience?

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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post #15

The Build Back Better bill (or reconciliation bill) is the only real climate legislation that will plausibly be signed into law in the United States in the 2020s. It offers a meaningful path forward for the US to curb its carbon emissions. Opposing it means you oppose doing anything about mitigating the climate crisis within the United States from a federal legislative perspective within a timeframe where we can reas…

> Opposing it means you oppose ... If life were so simple. Of course, the reality is this bill covers everything from child tax credits, paid leaves, to god knows what else.

Oh no, god forbid we try to drag ourselves into the 21st century, and get somewhere close to what every other modern democracy has offered for decades.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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This article, per usual, is creating a completely false narrative. Just by opposing a particular bill that is ostensibly aimed at controlling the climate does not mean you are opposed to all actions aligned with that bills outward goals.

Not just that, but the article doesn't even mention until halfway in that this bill is a 3.5TN budget bill, very much full of other non-climate proposals. Most people will read and comment on the title.

Literally in the second paragraph:

> oppose the proposed $3.5tn budget bill put forward by Democrats

That makes it pretty clear to me that it's a $3.5TN budget bill. Also, that sentence is a link, so it's underlined. Difficult to miss.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Before blaming them, we should ask why they are against it. “provide payments to prop up carbon-free nuclear energy” I would be also against a bill that includes this.

The article says why. The US Chamber of Commerce has fought tooth and nail against climate legislation because they view themselves as "job creators" and see anything that threatens corporate profits as an existential threat to society.

They've only recently been forced to admit that climate change even exists, but it's still like pulling teeth because they insist that any solutions have to be technology driven from the private sector, with no mandates whatsoever from government.

Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Chamber_of_Comme... and try to keep from retching.

Re: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Opposing it means you oppose ... If life were so simple. Of course, the reality is this bill covers everything from child tax credits, paid leaves, to god knows what else.

Oh no, god forbid we try to drag ourselves into the 21st century, and get somewhere close to what every other modern democracy has offered for decades.

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