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A World Without Sci-Hub

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Re: A World Without Sci-Hub

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What are pragmatic things that we can do to push for open access for academic papers?

Imagine the live map of the money-flow around the research/review/publishing/usage. It could give us some hints. Pain becomes palpable If one think about it. Maybe some thermodynamically provable illustrations of the energy around the issue would help us illustrate the problem (read: the scale of sickness of the 'intellectual property') My hunch is that we're at the stage where KWh could - and should be used as the u…

This is completely incomprehensible

Re: A World Without Sci-Hub

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The main issue is that currently there's no way around publishing at the established journals and conferences, because of the reputation they've built up. Funding and career advancement hinge on publications in these venues. If we accept that publishers don't offer much at all in return for the publication fees/library subscription costs (barely any editing, reviewers work pro bono, hosting PDFs is very cheap nowadays), the main issue is one of "reputation transfer".

One way to cut out the middle man would be to convince journal editors to run sibling journals alongside the existing journals, so for each "Transactions on XYZ" there would be an "Open Transactions on XYZ" (as close in title as is legal). Importantly, each sibling journal would be run by the exact same academics (who are doing the real work on tax money anyway), and according to the same process as the original journal, just without involvement from a traditional publisher. PDFs would be hosted on a site like arXiv. The goal would be that submitting to the open "sibling" would be the obvious rational choice (same people, same decision-making, no fees, open access), which in time even the funding agencies and tenure committees would have to acknowledge.

Re: A World Without Sci-Hub

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What are pragmatic things that we can do to push for open access for academic papers?

You start with the scientists make it prestigious to publish in an open source journal, make it sexy, make it lucrative.

Well APS opened a new open access journal PRX which is more prestigious even than PRL, so I don't think that's the problem. Also Nature, which is like, the most prestigious, is also open access...

Re: A World Without Sci-Hub

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What are pragmatic things that we can do to push for open access for academic papers?

Imagine the live map of the money-flow around the research/review/publishing/usage. It could give us some hints. Pain becomes palpable If one think about it. Maybe some thermodynamically provable illustrations of the energy around the issue would help us illustrate the problem (read: the scale of sickness of the 'intellectual property') My hunch is that we're at the stage where KWh could - and should be used as the u…

i agree with this guy!!

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"Swartz potentially faced more jail time for downloading academic papers than he would have if he had helped Al Qaeda build a nuclear weapon. " Too much for the American values.

It's things like this that make me believe that the US isn't a truly free society. It simply pretends it is. But all nations have their problems. The US simply has more than one might think.

It is a Masonic society that actually pretends to give freedom to their sheep but is nothing more than an ilusión they merely choose which door to use when they go to the slaughterhouse

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"Swartz potentially faced more jail time for downloading academic papers than he would have if he had helped Al Qaeda build a nuclear weapon. " Too much for the American values.

It's things like this that make me believe that the US isn't a truly free society. It simply pretends it is. But all nations have their problems. The US simply has more than one might think.

The US has the highest prison population per capita in the world.

Mostly because of an outdated view on justice and crime.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You start with the scientists make it prestigious to publish in an open source journal, make it sexy, make it lucrative.

Well APS opened a new open access journal PRX which is more prestigious even than PRL, so I don't think that's the problem. Also Nature, which is like, the most prestigious, is also open access...

Nature is open access? Like what recently? And I assume they ask for a metric ton in cash to do that?

Re: A World Without Sci-Hub

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What are pragmatic things that we can do to push for open access for academic papers?

Just encourage people to upload their paper to an open access archive like arXiv first. Very few journals disallow this, it's just that authors are either too lazy or just don't want to make their paper publicly available.

It's also very field-specific. Like in computer science, almost everyone uploads to arXiv.

Re: A World Without Sci-Hub

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As scientists, we need to stop citing papers that are behind a paywall. That is the only way this will end without external intervention e.g. actual regulation outlawing certain aspects of the pay-walls.
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