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You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation
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Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation
#12Hey there :). Author here. It was a fun experiment to play around with some different strategies for adding content moderation to https://stream.new Hive ended up being the one I landed on after trying Google Vision first ( https://cloud.google.com/vision ). The other one I was looking at is Clarity.ai but I didn't get a chance to try that one yet.
stream.new seems really cool. However there is no account button to see all of your video URLs, or a download option for the video. If there was, I would probably make it my default (not sure if that is what you want)
Thanks! Yeah that would be a significant improvement.
This started as a little demo project with Nextjs + Mux and then evolved into more of an actual product (https://github.com/muxinc/stream.new).
Right now the lightweight utility aspect of stream.new feel right, but if we continue to build upon it as a standalone free product then adding the concept of an "account" with saved videos makes a ton of sense.
Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation
#13Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation
#14What about not treating users like kiddies needing supervision?
I think the Silicone Valley MVP TrendySpeak crowd needs to open eyes to the realities of life.
Slashdot is a very peculiar case of near no spam filtering, yet very good user content moderation
Kuro5 was also kind of interesting with its old user rating system.
Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation
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Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation
#16Freenet/lbry/tor hidden sites all exists (and get used all the time) and it's 100% not required there at all. I hope at some point weird moralization of nudity will stop.
> moralization of nudity Even porn sites need moderation. Trying to stop sexual abuse and child pornography isn't weird moralization. > and it's 100% not required there at all I'm not super familiar with the darkweb, but I assume that darkweb platforms also have active moderation, even if it's only to keep griefers out. Pornography is not the only use case for moderation.
>Trying to stop sexual abuse and child pornography isn't weird moralization.
How does moderation of content prevent sexual abuse or CP? If anything I'd argue it creates more, because those that seek the images instead have to produce their own if they cannot find them.
Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation
#17Around 1 year ago we got hit badly on our [blogging platform][0] by people/groups submitting fake customer support description of other big companies, either being Microsoft, Facebook, Comcast etc.
Rolled out a machine learning model and trained it on the database. 99% of them vanished.
Next day, the machine didn't work and success rate was around 5%.
Found out, they have learned the trick and now using symbols from different languages to make it look like English.
Trained again, success rate went up again.
Next hour, success rate fallen.
This time, they mixed their content with other valid content of our own blogging platform. They would use content from our own blog or other people posts and mix it to fool the machine learning.
Trained it again and was success.
Once a while such content appear and machine model fails to catch them.
It only takes couple of minutes to mark the bad posts and have the model get trained and redeployed and then boom, bad content is gone.
The text extraction, slicing through good content and bad content, finding out symbols vs sane alphabet and many other thing was at first challenging, but overall pretty excited to make it happen.
Through this we didn't use any platform to do the job, the whole thing was built by ourselves, little bit of Tensorflow, Keras, Scikit-learn and some other spices.
Worth noting, it was all text and no images or videos. Once we got hit with that we'll deal with it.
edit: Here's the training code that made the initial work https://gist.github.com/Alir3z4/6b26353928633f7db59f40f71c8f... it's pretty basic stuff. Later changed to cover more edge cases and it got even simpler and easier. Contrary to the belief, the better it got, the simpler it became :shrug
Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation
#18Freenet/lbry/tor hidden sites all exists (and get used all the time) and it's 100% not required there at all. I hope at some point weird moralization of nudity will stop.
Exactly. The author does not make a sufficient case of why content moderation is necessary, and doesn't even touch client-side moderation.
The article is about business running platforms with UGC.
While free forums on the darknet might get away with a tad more lax policies, if you’re a registered business hoping to make any money you won’t have a choice but to moderate in some way. At the very least it will be to follow your country laws, and more often than not your clients will require you to do so.
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Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation
#20Around 1 year ago we got hit badly on our [blogging platform][0] by people/groups submitting fake customer support description of other big companies, either being Microsoft, Facebook, Comcast etc. Rolled out a machine learning model and trained it on the database. 99% of them vanished. Next day, the machine didn't work and success rate was around 5%. Found out, they have learned the trick and now using symbols from…
Do you have a mechanism for appealing the automated process?