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Re: The loss of prolific contributors in Wikipedia

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Having contributed to the Danish Wikipedia, I was astounded by the arrogance and the accusations by the other contributors/mods. That was what made me not contribute anymore.

It is nothing short of astounding how small amounts of power corrupt otherwise intelligent people. Sometimes I despair at the state of democratic politics, but looking at the edit wars of Wikipedia, it could have been worse. So much pettiness for nothing.

>So much pettiness for nothing.

well as the saying goes, 'the fights are so fierce because the stakes are so low', or slightly more technically 'In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake'. Wikipedia is like a breeding ground for Girardian terror with people who tend to be very homogenous all competing for very similar things which often are only relevant because someone else wants to exercise control over them. Only place worse might be reddit moderation.

Re: The loss of prolific contributors in Wikipedia

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The bigger Wikipedia gets, the less contribution is required, since the “static” content gets more and more covered.

I think there is plenty room for more content, but a lot of it requires more than average level of expertise, or contributions from demographics that historically haven't contributed to Wikipedia.

Re: The loss of prolific contributors in Wikipedia

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This study sounds like it's part of a strategy to establish corporate control of Wikipedia

I read the paper and I didn't come to that conclusion. Can you explain why you think that? Here is their stated purpose: The primary objective of this work has been to bring forth the issue of the growing depletion of editors, especially the experienced editors in Wikipedia. One may be able to take their data and then determine if certain editors are near the quitting threshold. The data may also reveal operational a…

From the abstract:

> a major concern for not only the future of this platform but also for several industry-scale information retrieval systems such as Siri, Alexa which depend on Wikipedia as knowledge store.

That doesn't imply that the paper is advocating for it, but given that Apple and Amazon now have built products on top Wikipedia, their bottom line depends on it. It's entirely reasonable to wonder if they would prefer to have more influence and control over it. Whether or not it was ever a good idea for Alexa and Siri to have a dependency on Wikipedia is a moot point. They do now, and it wouldn't surprise me to see them wanting to take an active part in keeping Wikipedia fresh.

Of course, because their revenue depends on it, they probably would want more control. In the same way the Amazon is working to exercise more control over the Rust language, Apple or Amazon could decide that taking over Wikipedia is the right move to protect profits.

Re: The loss of prolific contributors in Wikipedia

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There is plenty of room for more content but deletion focused contributors remove whole classes of articles and tend to turn off whole groups of contributors in the process. The biggest challenge for Wikipedia now is to find some way to tame the rise of deletion as a form of contribution.

Re: The loss of prolific contributors in Wikipedia

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As a long time, low volume contributor, I see 2 explanations for what happens:

1. There is not a lot to contribute as a lot of matters are already covered. This is not a bad thing at all.

2. Moderators do a very bad job. Last year I created an entire article about a popular vehicle, it took 6 months to be published and it was just about a page long with solid references. At one time it was rejected because it had "not enough external links", so I added half a dozen links to the dealers selling that vehicle, on top of the original manufacturer page. This discourages contributors and it is a serios problem.

Re: The loss of prolific contributors in Wikipedia

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There is plenty of room for more content but deletion focused contributors remove whole classes of articles and tend to turn off whole groups of contributors in the process. The biggest challenge for Wikipedia now is to find some way to tame the rise of deletion as a form of contribution.

Yep, had plenty of bespoke technical pages that explained some pretty involved network infrastructure from the 90s and various hardware families outside Cisco. The delete party would come in like locust and nuke all your work citing all forms of wikilaw. I just can't be bothered. Internet archive and EFF get my money each month. Not the wiki foundation.

Re: The loss of prolific contributors in Wikipedia

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Part of the problem is that philosophically, Wikipedia wants to pretend that contributors are "thin" interfaces for pure knowledge. That there is a well-defined set of "reliable sources" and all contributors have to do is summarize and create hyperlinks to them.

Not surprising given the ~Objectivist philosophies of its creators.

Re: The loss of prolific contributors in Wikipedia

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post #14

There is plenty of room for more content but deletion focused contributors remove whole classes of articles and tend to turn off whole groups of contributors in the process. The biggest challenge for Wikipedia now is to find some way to tame the rise of deletion as a form of contribution.

Yep, had plenty of bespoke technical pages that explained some pretty involved network infrastructure from the 90s and various hardware families outside Cisco. The delete party would come in like locust and nuke all your work citing all forms of wikilaw. I just can't be bothered. Internet archive and EFF get my money each month. Not the wiki foundation.

Not to defend Wikipedia at all (and they certainly should not get your money), but, the solution that Wikipedia themselves would advocate is that you should publish those explanations on some site of your own, and Wikipedia could then cite it. That also means that the publications are under your control and yours alone and nobody can come in and delete them.

It's pretty great that Wikipedia is a centralized source of information, but I do sort of lament the decline of personal web sites on GeoCities or university web hosts or whatever.

Re: The loss of prolific contributors in Wikipedia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the paper and I didn't come to that conclusion. Can you explain why you think that? Here is their stated purpose: The primary objective of this work has been to bring forth the issue of the growing depletion of editors, especially the experienced editors in Wikipedia. One may be able to take their data and then determine if certain editors are near the quitting threshold. The data may also reveal operational a…

From the abstract: > a major concern for not only the future of this platform but also for several industry-scale information retrieval systems such as Siri, Alexa which depend on Wikipedia as knowledge store. That doesn't imply that the paper is advocating for it, but given that Apple and Amazon now have built products on top Wikipedia, their bottom line depends on it. It's entirely reasonable to wonder if they woul…

> Of course, because their revenue depends on it, they probably would want more control.

I don't think this follows. They could have all the control they wanted if they set up their own product, but their revenue doesn't depend on control, their revenue depends on the product being good. It would take a lot of work to make your own Wikipedia-alike; it would take a lot of work to even start with the current Wikipedia (which they legally can, since its license permits commercial use) and keep it up to date.

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