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Re: Ask HN: Are any of you still unvaccinated? If so, why?

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Post by Trias11 »

pgt2art wrote: post #6
Trias11 wrote: post #4

I don't trust "vaccine" rushed into the market. Politicians are pushing it so hard and so persistently so I wonder why. I want to follow the money trail. Who pays whom? how much? Where money goes after that? It smells like a giant collusion between pharma and politicians.

Believe is all in your head, and thats why i like science.

Politicians will negotiate funding, compensation and mutual benefits terms with large pharma companies.

Politicians will invite corrupt, credentialized individual(s) and will incentivize them to make a claims.

That's pretty much how modern science delivery mechanism operates on the value of covid vaccines.

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Post by arrakis2021 »

quetzlbazaar wrote: post #10
arrakis2021 wrote: post #8

I don’t think there is any meaningful risk to getting the vaccine. But you asked for “why” so here goes: 1. I Have had covid and got over it. The fatality rate in my age group is 2. I recall a half year’s worth of politicians and media saying not to trust “a rushed vaccine promoted by Trump.” Most people are not just going to conveniently forget that messaging. 3. I have yet to see any data that explains why my natur…

Regarding 3., the reason it is being ignored is because it may dampen uptake of the vaccine by people who had already had and recovered from COVID. You probably were already aware this was a reason but just to clarify and in case. It's probable that being vaccinated can improve on your natural immunity[1], though since natural immunity can be comparable to or better than immunity from vaccination, it shouldn't be con…

Oh yes you’re right I understand that reasoning, and I don’t necessarily disagree with it - but my point is that it’s still a reason for hesitation.

That very act of avoiding the topic/suppressing it and pushing “specific science” makes lots of people - many who are very intelligent and aware - suspicious. Pretending that these people are conspiracists or of lower IQ is just counter productive, and will get nowhere.

Re: Ask HN: Are any of you still unvaccinated? If so, why?

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Post by nyokodo »

arrakis2021 wrote: post #12
quetzlbazaar wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding 3., the reason it is being ignored is because it may dampen uptake of the vaccine by people who had already had and recovered from COVID. You probably were already aware this was a reason but just to clarify and in case. It's probable that being vaccinated can improve on your natural immunity[1], though since natural immunity can be comparable to or better than immunity from vaccination, it shouldn't be con…

Oh yes you’re right I understand that reasoning, and I don’t necessarily disagree with it - but my point is that it’s still a reason for hesitation. That very act of avoiding the topic/suppressing it and pushing “specific science” makes lots of people - many who are very intelligent and aware - suspicious. Pretending that these people are conspiracists or of lower IQ is just counter productive, and will get nowhere.

> That very act of avoiding the topic/suppressing it and pushing “specific science” makes lots of people - many who are very intelligent and aware - suspicious.

Suspicious of what exactly? The COVID vaccines aren’t very profitable, certainly not compared to the monoclonal antibodies, antivirals etc, of which the unvaccinated are the greatest consumers. However, the data is unequivocal on their effectiveness in drastically reducing negative outcomes. The vaccines being involved in political in-group out-group dynamics is bitterly regrettable, but that is circumstantial to whether there is legitimate suspicion of the vaccines.

Re: Ask HN: Are any of you still unvaccinated? If so, why?

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Post by electrotype »

ggm wrote: post #3
electrotype wrote: post #2

Should I go first?

Yes. What's holding you back, assuming you have reticence?

I think my story is the same as many reluctant people: I had Covid, at the very beginning of the pandemic. It was like a flu but I lost my sense of smell for several months.

Having Covid made me question whether or not I should get the vaccine. My body did fight the real disease, why should I inject myself with something that only tries to mimic the real disease? I started to do some research...

My current conclusion is that my immune system is better than that of any vaccinated person who has not contracted the actual virus.

Re: Ask HN: Are any of you still unvaccinated? If so, why?

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Post by zepto »

nyokodo wrote: post #13
arrakis2021 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yes you’re right I understand that reasoning, and I don’t necessarily disagree with it - but my point is that it’s still a reason for hesitation. That very act of avoiding the topic/suppressing it and pushing “specific science” makes lots of people - many who are very intelligent and aware - suspicious. Pretending that these people are conspiracists or of lower IQ is just counter productive, and will get nowhere.

> That very act of avoiding the topic/suppressing it and pushing “specific science” makes lots of people - many who are very intelligent and aware - suspicious. Suspicious of what exactly? The COVID vaccines aren’t very profitable, certainly not compared to the monoclonal antibodies, antivirals etc, of which the unvaccinated are the greatest consumers. However, the data is unequivocal on their effectiveness in drasti…

Suppressing something that is true makes someone untrustworthy. You don’t need a theory of their motives to explain this.

Re: Ask HN: Are any of you still unvaccinated? If so, why?

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Post by nyokodo »

zepto wrote: post #15
nyokodo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That very act of avoiding the topic/suppressing it and pushing “specific science” makes lots of people - many who are very intelligent and aware - suspicious. Suspicious of what exactly? The COVID vaccines aren’t very profitable, certainly not compared to the monoclonal antibodies, antivirals etc, of which the unvaccinated are the greatest consumers. However, the data is unequivocal on their effectiveness in drasti…

Suppressing something that is true makes someone untrustworthy. You don’t need a theory of their motives to explain this.

> Suppressing something that is true makes someone untrustworthy. You don’t need a theory of their motives to explain this.

That might be true if the people developing and testing the vaccine were the same people belittling natural immunity. From what I’ve seen that isn’t close to being an accurate characterization. Lumping them together is just the same behavior of which you accuse them, political. Should we be suspicious of you?

Re: Ask HN: Are any of you still unvaccinated? If so, why?

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Post by ggm »

electrotype wrote: post #14
ggm wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. What's holding you back, assuming you have reticence?

I think my story is the same as many reluctant people: I had Covid, at the very beginning of the pandemic. It was like a flu but I lost my sense of smell for several months. Having Covid made me question whether or not I should get the vaccine. My body did fight the real disease, why should I inject myself with something that only tries to mimic the real disease? I started to do some research... My current conclusion…

If serology testing can show you have immunity, I would support giving seropositive people the equivalent of a vaccine passport, if the epidemiologists confirm its good immunity. So, I can see a basis for your reasoning.

I would personally choose to still get vaccinated in your situation.

Re: Ask HN: Are any of you still unvaccinated? If so, why?

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Post by zepto »

nyokodo wrote: post #16
zepto wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suppressing something that is true makes someone untrustworthy. You don’t need a theory of their motives to explain this.

> Suppressing something that is true makes someone untrustworthy. You don’t need a theory of their motives to explain this. That might be true if the people developing and testing the vaccine were the same people belittling natural immunity. From what I’ve seen that isn’t close to being an accurate characterization. Lumping them together is just the same behavior of which you accuse them, political. Should we be susp…

> That might be true if the people developing and testing the vaccine were the same people belittling natural immunity.

Why does it need to be confined to that group?

> Lumping them together is just the same behavior of which you accuse them, political.

Where do I accuse a group of something? Where do I “lump people together”.

> Should we be suspicious of you?

You are free to be suspicious of whoever you choose.

Re: Ask HN: Are any of you still unvaccinated? If so, why?

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Post by electrotype »

ggm wrote: post #17
electrotype wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think my story is the same as many reluctant people: I had Covid, at the very beginning of the pandemic. It was like a flu but I lost my sense of smell for several months. Having Covid made me question whether or not I should get the vaccine. My body did fight the real disease, why should I inject myself with something that only tries to mimic the real disease? I started to do some research... My current conclusion…

If serology testing can show you have immunity, I would support giving seropositive people the equivalent of a vaccine passport, if the epidemiologists confirm its good immunity. So, I can see a basis for your reasoning. I would personally choose to still get vaccinated in your situation.

> I would personally choose to still get vaccinated in your situation.

Why, if I may ask?

Re: Ask HN: Are any of you still unvaccinated? If so, why?

#20

Post by nyokodo »

zepto wrote: post #18
nyokodo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Suppressing something that is true makes someone untrustworthy. You don’t need a theory of their motives to explain this. That might be true if the people developing and testing the vaccine were the same people belittling natural immunity. From what I’ve seen that isn’t close to being an accurate characterization. Lumping them together is just the same behavior of which you accuse them, political. Should we be susp…

> That might be true if the people developing and testing the vaccine were the same people belittling natural immunity. Why does it need to be confined to that group? > Lumping them together is just the same behavior of which you accuse them, political. Where do I accuse a group of something? Where do I “lump people together”. > Should we be suspicious of you? You are free to be suspicious of whoever you choose.

> Why does it need to be confined to that group?

Because they're the ones actually presenting the vaccines to the world, and being pro-vax doesn't mean being a deceitful natural immunity denier. I.e unless there is a significant overlap of [vaccine producer and vaccine approver], and [deceitful natural immunity denier] in a Venn diagram then it isn't reasonable to lay the suspicion of the deniers onto those who produce the vaccines.

> Where do I “lump people together”

By being suspicious of the vaccines due to the messaging of people who have nothing to do with the production or approval of the vaccines. That is implicitly lumping together vaccine developers, vaccine manufacturers, vaccine testers, and regulators into the same group as a bunch of politicians, journalists, and a range of other parties on the periphery all speculating or spinning things to gain a desired outcome. If that first group didn't publish the data and all I had to go on was the spin then I'd join you in suspicion, but thankfully I don't have to because I can go read the studies myself, and I was personally in one of them.

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