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Apple CPU Gains Grind to a Halt

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Re: Apple CPU Gains Grind to a Halt

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Post by rowanG077 »

bjoli wrote: post #7
giuliomagnifico wrote: post #3

> We believe Apple had to delay the next generation CPU core due to all the personnel turnover Apple has been experiencing I believe Apple has delayed new architecture for CPU simply because the actual one is powerful enough and they (correctly) want to take advantage of it in terms of large scale (and due to chip shortage/fabs sufferer). The new iPhone 13 Pro is very interesting but one thing leave me “meh”: the wei…

It looks like they have hotten thicker again. I wonder if they could revolutionize the phone market YET AGAIN and re-introduce a 3.5mm jack.

Oof I'm quaking in my boots at the sheer bravery that would take.

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Post by floatboth »

This is Apple's "Zen+" style generation: a mild refresh when you don't need anything more (and that "more" needs more time to get ready).

> These are performance gains are generally paltry despite a huge increase from 11.8B transistors to 15B.

But all of those billions went into the Neural Engine. Look, Google is doing the same thing with Tensor SoC. Shoving more neural nets into the computational photography pipeline is priority number one for the smartphone giants because better camera systems are what likely drives a lot of new smartphone sales.

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Post by ksec »

wsc981 wrote: post #4

> In 2019, Nuvia was founded and later acquired by Qualcomm for $1.4B. Apple’s Chief CPU Architect, Gerard Williams, as well as over a 100 other Apple engineers left to join this firm. More recently, SemiAnalysis broke the news about Rivos Inc, a new high performance RISC V startup which includes many senior Apple engineers. The brain drain continues and impacts will be more apparent as time moves on. Seems very shoc…

>Seems very shocking, a recent turn-over of about 100 engineers.

Yes, you know what is more shocking? It is BS.

I mean like for Pete sake, there were more ex Qualcomm / Intel / ARM Engineers ex Apple inside Nuvia. And many from Samsung, AMD, Broadcom, Nvidia.

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Post by Hamuko »

giuliomagnifico wrote: post #8
bjoli wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like they have hotten thicker again. I wonder if they could revolutionize the phone market YET AGAIN and re-introduce a 3.5mm jack.

Why would you want an iPhone with the headphones jack?! I dropped to the floor my iPhone two times: and both are due to the headphones jack cable! I hope Apple will introduce a better codec for Bluetooth, way behind the actual AAC 256. But not the cable again…

Life is just so simple with a simple headphone jack.

Say you get a loaner car and you want to listen to music from your phone. You can either connect a 3.5 mm to 3.5 mm cable between your phone and the car and start playback, or you can go into the car settings, start bluetooth pairing, wait for the device to be found, pair the devices, make sure that your address book is not shared via Bluetooth and stored in the car's memory and then start playback (and probably remove the pairing from both ends at the end of it all).

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musicale wrote: post #5
wsc981 wrote: post #4

> In 2019, Nuvia was founded and later acquired by Qualcomm for $1.4B. Apple’s Chief CPU Architect, Gerard Williams, as well as over a 100 other Apple engineers left to join this firm. More recently, SemiAnalysis broke the news about Rivos Inc, a new high performance RISC V startup which includes many senior Apple engineers. The brain drain continues and impacts will be more apparent as time moves on. Seems very shoc…

> Was pay bad and didn’t Apple want to increase compensation A frustrating feature of large silicon valley companies is that if you leave the company and come back later you will typically have better compensation than if you had stayed. I could also imagine that the M1 team felt they weren't adequately rewarded after hitting a huge home run. Moreover, it's probably the best time to switch jobs, because their market…

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Post by bin_bash »

musicale wrote: post #5
wsc981 wrote: post #4

> In 2019, Nuvia was founded and later acquired by Qualcomm for $1.4B. Apple’s Chief CPU Architect, Gerard Williams, as well as over a 100 other Apple engineers left to join this firm. More recently, SemiAnalysis broke the news about Rivos Inc, a new high performance RISC V startup which includes many senior Apple engineers. The brain drain continues and impacts will be more apparent as time moves on. Seems very shoc…

> Was pay bad and didn’t Apple want to increase compensation A frustrating feature of large silicon valley companies is that if you leave the company and come back later you will typically have better compensation than if you had stayed. I could also imagine that the M1 team felt they weren't adequately rewarded after hitting a huge home run. Moreover, it's probably the best time to switch jobs, because their market…

> A frustrating feature of large silicon valley companies is that if you leave the company and come back later you will typically have better compensation than if you had stayed.

That’s just not true, especially with stock appreciation. Unless they were grossly underpaid. It might be the case for some L3-L4 but not senior engineers.

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