This article also has long form responses. I'd love to see a reasoned contrary response.
There already is one response from 2 MDs and one MPH with citations. Glad you pointed out the long-form response section as it was a good read.
Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
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#12It's very concerning that the president is saying things like "your refusal has cost all of us" and "our patience is wearing this" when talking to people with natural immunity who have not received the vaccine. As president, he should be looking for every reason to not alienate his own citizens. It seems like he's doing the opposite. I'm not really sure why. My best guess is politics has become all about polarization…
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#13OP keeps posting articles pushing the idea that COVID-19 infection alone is sufficient to protect individuals.
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#14It seems much harder to quantify the level of immunity conferred by natural infection. It depends entirely on an individual immune system detects and combats a particular infection. Anecdotally, I know someone who has been infected twice. Refuses to get vaccinated now because "why bother? I have great immunity now." With no sense of irony, given that he's already been infected twice...
Why is it "harder"? I assume you mean harder to quantify than vaccination immunity and I don't believe that's the case, but I'm curious why you believe that is the case. edit: surprising downvotes so I probably didn't communicate my point well. I can't imagine a reason why natural immunity would be harder to quantify than vaccine induced immunity. It would seem to me the methodology to quantify both would be very sim…
Nobody knows what dose was delivered to the “natural immunity” group, how many times, or when.
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#15The argument seems fine to me. Let people with natural immunity have the same privileges as vaccinated people assuming they have a piece of paper from a federal entity to prove it.
The only argument I can think of against it is: Certain vaccine skeptic people might be incentivized to catch the virus on purpose.
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#16I'd assume that a lot of it is the existing polarization over the issue. It's easier to lie and say you already had COVID, and there's a bunch of people who'd probably do so. (Plus a lot of people who don't even know they've already had COVID, because of asymptomatic cases.)
The state of medical records in the USA is... not great, so it's easier to show evidence of the vaccination that can at least theoretically be verified.
EDIT: man, the rapid-downvoting is even worse here than in the Apple CSAM threads. :D
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#17I'm in favor of vaccine mandates but if there was a better way of quantifying immunity I'd be all in favor of letting people with natural immunity get a waiver.
As everything with COVID, the lack of hard data and the poor communication of federal and state agencies has enabled politicians, con men and sectarians to exploit the confusion to their benefit.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is it "harder"? I assume you mean harder to quantify than vaccination immunity and I don't believe that's the case, but I'm curious why you believe that is the case. edit: surprising downvotes so I probably didn't communicate my point well. I can't imagine a reason why natural immunity would be harder to quantify than vaccine induced immunity. It would seem to me the methodology to quantify both would be very sim…
Nobody knows what dose was delivered to the “natural immunity” group, how many times, or when.
Seems we should be able to test for antibodies though. Why aren't we?
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#20OP keeps posting articles pushing the idea that COVID-19 infection alone is sufficient to protect individuals.
Maybe it is?
Many other countries are fine considering documented prior infection as equivalent to vaccination for compliance purposes. There are some results hinting infection-recovery alone is better than vaccination alone, especially versus later variants.
The US CDC etc seems slow-moving on key scientific results, in ways that are unnecessarily increasing social conflict. But they’re not even paid by the click!