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Police: Mock us in Cartoons, go to Prison

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Re: Police: Mock us in Cartoons, go to Prison

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Post by VladRussian »

fexl wrote: post #9
VladRussian wrote: post #5

well, at least they didn't do that to him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ljYNgLnpxM

The guy's screaming "Dad! Dad! Dad!" ... that breaks my heart. One bystander wisely asks "How do you resist when they're on top of your back?" and then wonders why they don't just put the cuffs on him and be done with it. That's a common theme I've noticed with these incidents: the assailants keep saying "stop resisting! stop resisting!" But I imagine it's kind of hard to stop struggling and moving around when you're…

>One bystander wisely asks "How do you resist when they're on top of your back?

Convulsions from multiple tazering and hits into the head and spine. It is a catch-22 for the victim - police tazers you, you convulse, ie. resist, thus giving them plausible cause to tazer you more and/or in this particular case to hit your head, neck into the curb, etc... when they hit your head (or kidneys - they professionally trained and very experienced in how to hit you) the brain and spine nervous tissue shock make you convulse, ie. resist, ... loop continues.

Re: Police: Mock us in Cartoons, go to Prison

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Post by fexl »

VladRussian wrote: post #11
fexl wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The guy's screaming "Dad! Dad! Dad!" ... that breaks my heart. One bystander wisely asks "How do you resist when they're on top of your back?" and then wonders why they don't just put the cuffs on him and be done with it. That's a common theme I've noticed with these incidents: the assailants keep saying "stop resisting! stop resisting!" But I imagine it's kind of hard to stop struggling and moving around when you're…

>One bystander wisely asks "How do you resist when they're on top of your back? Convulsions from multiple tazering and hits into the head and spine. It is a catch-22 for the victim - police tazers you, you convulse, ie. resist, thus giving them plausible cause to tazer you more and/or in this particular case to hit your head, neck into the curb, etc... when they hit your head (or kidneys - they professionally trained…

Right, well put ... and to the bystander's credit, he was asking the question rhetorically. But you're right: basically your own death throes become "resistance".

And to answer my own question: I'd like to think I'd step forward as a witness, even though it might mean a few years of harassment.

Re: Police: Mock us in Cartoons, go to Prison

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Post by glimcat »

smokeyj wrote: post #6

Cops are legal terrorists.

One of the ideas in the theory of government is that it exists to have a monopoly on violence and so forth. It's murder if you do it once, it's not if the state does it a few hundred thousand times.

To an extent, police abusing power and inducing fear in the populace is "working as intended" if it keeps the state in power. But our ideals tend to be such that we think the state should function with greater respect for human rights and individual freedoms.

Also, these wahoos are just a bunch of loose cannons. It's embarrassing the state, not serving it.

Re: Police: Mock us in Cartoons, go to Prison

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Post by thirdhaf »

rhizome wrote: post #4
civilian wrote: post #3

Yeah. This is police harassment, plain and simple. Piggies! Also: http://www.kingcounty.gov/courts/SuperiorCourt/judges/cayce....

Actually, it's the judge and the prosecutor who are on the hook more for this use of Cyberstalking (and likely ultimately terrorism laws) to umask a critic using their First Amendment rights. The prosecutor is at risk for losing their qualified immunity, since he is using his position to commit a civil rights crime.

Prosecutors have absolute immunity which is incredibly difficult to overcome. Even falsifying evidence doesn't seem to do it unless there's a "pattern of abuse" which is practically impossible to prove. http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=Pottawattamie_Coun...

Re: Police: Mock us in Cartoons, go to Prison

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Post by mindcrime »

thirdhaf wrote: post #14
rhizome wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, it's the judge and the prosecutor who are on the hook more for this use of Cyberstalking (and likely ultimately terrorism laws) to umask a critic using their First Amendment rights. The prosecutor is at risk for losing their qualified immunity, since he is using his position to commit a civil rights crime.

Prosecutors have absolute immunity which is incredibly difficult to overcome. Even falsifying evidence doesn't seem to do it unless there's a "pattern of abuse" which is practically impossible to prove. http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=Pottawattamie_Coun...

Action is sometimes taken against prosecutors who abuse their position, though. Mike Nifong comes to mind:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Nifong

Granted, the behavior does have to be pretty egregious, but at least these people aren't (always) above the law.

Re: Police: Mock us in Cartoons, go to Prison

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Post by seagaia »

smokeyj wrote: post #6

Cops are legal terrorists.

I wouldn't be too quick to write all cops off as bad. There are definitely a good number of "good" cops. We should make sure not to stereotype policemen because a few of them do something idiotic.

I think a big problem with a lot of government positions or other legal positions are that a noticeable (hence this situation) percentage of the people are power-hungry, or have a chip on their shoulder.

Which results in unspeakable, completely illogical results like this - torturing someone to feel like you have power, and then being able to get away with it because of an obfuscating and broken legal system, filled with good law people and bad law people.

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