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Does Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS Block Archive.is? (2019)

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Re: Does Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS Block Archive.is? (2019)

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Post by beezischillin »

_akoy wrote: post #3

It's important to remember, at least for corporate environments, that EDNS Client Subnet is important when working with services such as Exchange Online where the local resolver is what determines your EXO Front Door. If you're using a service like 1.1.1.1, you may be routed to an incorrect Front Door causing increased latency (primarily with search and archive mailboxes which aren't cached). Quad9 does have a servic…

I have Quad9's DNSCrypt configured with ECS on my Pi-Hole and it returns the IPs for archive.is and archive.today. Just tested it.

Re: Does Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS Block Archive.is? (2019)

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Post by dimensi0nal »

amazing how cloudflare has framed this anticompetitve move as a privacy thing.

it doesn't matter if your dns resolver leaks part of your ip address to archive.is's dns servers when you're about to connect to archive.is from your ip address anyway. the only thing dropping the edns client subnet does is prevent services you use from giving you a server that's closer to you when you do the dns lookup. this performance issue, of course, does not affect sites using cloudflare.

Re: Does Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS Block Archive.is? (2019)

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Post by pacman2 »

deadalus wrote: post #4

Archive.is is unironically one of the most important websites in the world. I hope this mess gets fixed but I am not holding my breath because we are in the same position for years now. Interesting read on the probable owner of the site : https://webapps.stackexchange.com/a/149405

Linked in Profile does not exit anymore. But

"Bachelor of Engineering Bachelor at the Humboldt University of Berlin."

This sounds fishy. I am not sure that you can get an Engineering degree at this University.

Re: Does Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS Block Archive.is? (2019)

#14

Post by fragmede »

Hamuko wrote: post #9

Archive.is used to geoblock all Finnish IP addresses at one point because of some alleged dispute with the Finnish government. As far as I remember, he got a takedown request from a Finnish government and then had some incident at the Finnish border, saying that they were linked (as in, the company in question could order the Finnish government to harrass him). Works now though but it gives me doubts about the manage…

The people that run the Pirate Bay went to prison for operating that site, despite not hosting any illegal content there themselves. Archive.is faces similar impedance mismatch with what different people and courts believe about intellectual property.

When's the last time you went to prison for something you believe in?

Re: Does Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS Block Archive.is? (2019)

#15

Post by luckylion »

dimensi0nal wrote: post #12

amazing how cloudflare has framed this anticompetitve move as a privacy thing. it doesn't matter if your dns resolver leaks part of your ip address to archive.is's dns servers when you're about to connect to archive.is from your ip address anyway. the only thing dropping the edns client subnet does is prevent services you use from giving you a server that's closer to you when you do the dns lookup. this performance i…

Can we not call literally everything "anticompetitive"? archive.is isn't a competitor of Cloudflare. Cloudflare doesn't treat them differently from any other site, they're not doing anything "to keep them down", their DNS product just has a focus that isn't compatible with archive.is' hunger for data.

That you might connect to archive.is directly isn't of any concern. You might also not do that, and they've decided that leaking data about the user isn't what they want to do.

It's not anticompetitive. It's not evil.

Re: Does Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS Block Archive.is? (2019)

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Post by dknecht »

_akoy wrote: post #3

It's important to remember, at least for corporate environments, that EDNS Client Subnet is important when working with services such as Exchange Online where the local resolver is what determines your EXO Front Door. If you're using a service like 1.1.1.1, you may be routed to an incorrect Front Door causing increased latency (primarily with search and archive mailboxes which aren't cached). Quad9 does have a servic…

Cloudflare has worked providers to make sure they can efficiently route. If you find case where this isn’t the case please let us know.

Re: Does Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS Block Archive.is? (2019)

#17

Post by fragmede »

fragmede wrote: post #14
Hamuko wrote: post #9

Archive.is used to geoblock all Finnish IP addresses at one point because of some alleged dispute with the Finnish government. As far as I remember, he got a takedown request from a Finnish government and then had some incident at the Finnish border, saying that they were linked (as in, the company in question could order the Finnish government to harrass him). Works now though but it gives me doubts about the manage…

The people that run the Pirate Bay went to prison for operating that site, despite not hosting any illegal content there themselves. Archive.is faces similar impedance mismatch with what different people and courts believe about intellectual property. When's the last time you went to prison for something you believe in?

Tbc, I haven't, but I'm also not the one throwing shade at the site's management.

Re: Does Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS Block Archive.is? (2019)

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Post by dimensi0nal »

luckylion wrote: post #15
dimensi0nal wrote: post #12

amazing how cloudflare has framed this anticompetitve move as a privacy thing. it doesn't matter if your dns resolver leaks part of your ip address to archive.is's dns servers when you're about to connect to archive.is from your ip address anyway. the only thing dropping the edns client subnet does is prevent services you use from giving you a server that's closer to you when you do the dns lookup. this performance i…

Can we not call literally everything "anticompetitive"? archive.is isn't a competitor of Cloudflare. Cloudflare doesn't treat them differently from any other site, they're not doing anything "to keep them down", their DNS product just has a focus that isn't compatible with archive.is' hunger for data. That you might connect to archive.is directly isn't of any concern. You might also not do that, and they've decided t…

archive.is doesn't compete with cloudflare, but they (or other websites) might want to spend money on improving their performance. cloudflare's dns resolver being popular makes one non-cloudflare option for improving website performance less appealing.

Re: Does Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS Block Archive.is? (2019)

#19

Post by Hamuko »

fragmede wrote: post #14
Hamuko wrote: post #9

Archive.is used to geoblock all Finnish IP addresses at one point because of some alleged dispute with the Finnish government. As far as I remember, he got a takedown request from a Finnish government and then had some incident at the Finnish border, saying that they were linked (as in, the company in question could order the Finnish government to harrass him). Works now though but it gives me doubts about the manage…

The people that run the Pirate Bay went to prison for operating that site, despite not hosting any illegal content there themselves. Archive.is faces similar impedance mismatch with what different people and courts believe about intellectual property. When's the last time you went to prison for something you believe in?

What does the Pirate Bay have to do with anything? Who went to prison here?

Re: Does Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS Block Archive.is? (2019)

#20

Post by [deleted] »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #10
deadalus wrote: post #4

Archive.is is unironically one of the most important websites in the world. I hope this mess gets fixed but I am not holding my breath because we are in the same position for years now. Interesting read on the probable owner of the site : https://webapps.stackexchange.com/a/149405

That reads a lot like doxxing; if someone isn't open about their identity, they don't want it out, and doing sleuthing work like this (or linking to it) can be considered doxxing. If archive.is hosts content that has been removed due to oppressive regimes' policies (including western ones), exposing their identity may put them at risk.

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