Wow, how did this ruling come so quickly when court cases are so slow to play out normally?
Is this something that can get appealed?
Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case
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#12If someone has read the full ruling and is familiar enough with the case, what are the odds Apple appeals this - and if they do, is it likely they will win the appeal?
This has to be an insta-appeal though so much dirty laundry has come out in discovery maybe they won’t. Then again App Store profit margins are so high … maybe they will take the hit on the 30% and double down on App Store advertising instead since first party advertising is blessed now?
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#13Does the permanent injuction apply only to Epic, or does it apply to everyone?
It reads like it applies to all developers.
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#14> permanently restrained and enjoined from prohibiting developers from including in their apps and their metadata buttons, external links, or other calls to action that direct customers to purchasing mechanisms, in addition to In-App Purchasing and (ii) communicating with customers through points of contact obtained voluntarily from customers through account registration within the app.
This sounds like the same agreement Apple came to a few weeks ago [0]. They can’t bar developers from linking to external payment methods, but doesn’t require them to allow other forms of in app payment.
[0] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/08/apple-us-developers-a...
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#15I'm really happy to see this moving forward, but I loathe the potential future landscape. Every fortune 500 is going to immediately pivot to their own IAP options which will make my life harder compared to Apple Pay.
I'm hoping with this movement, tools like Stripe/Paddle will develop some better IAP flows to make it as easy as possible. Adding my card information to 50 different in-app wallets does not sound appealing to me, despite the win for consumers and developers.
I guess what I'm trying to say, is that it's unfortunate we have to make a tradeoff at all.
Hopefully, this move will put downward pressure on Apple's payment infrastructure that incentivizes devs to keep using Apple payments because it's the same fee structure as whatever 3rd party they might move towards.
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#16Personally, I am surprised at all the anti-competitive actions Apple has been able to get away with over the years: Bundling the OS with hardware Enforcing an App store Dictating/Castrating Browser on mobile And the list goes on. I'm not saying this as a ding on Apple products, because I genuinely appreciate them, but I think at the same time Apple has resorted to creating roadblocks rather than innovating.
>Dictating/Castrating Browser on mobile Not just mobile, but iPad Pro and iPads too.
Wait, are you suggesting that iPads and iPads Pro are not mobile? In what sense are they tethered?
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#17> communicating with customers through points of contact obtained voluntarily from customers through account registration within the app.
Another interesting part of this ruling.
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#18Does the permanent injuction apply only to Epic, or does it apply to everyone?
It reads like it applies to all developers.
This seems pretty big, like it should have an immediate impact with everyone who ever wanted to use alternative payments on any app store should be submitted an updated app today kind of big.
Are there strings like appeal rights that means we won't see a change for years?
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#19> “The court cannot ultimately conclude that apple is a monopolist under either federal or state antitrust laws,” she writes in the ruling. “Nonetheless, the trial did show that apple is engaging in anti-competitive conduct under California’s competition laws.” It's nice to see that you don't have to be a monopolist to be legally barred from anti-competitive behaviour. I hope this puts a permanent stop to all the thr…
It then leaves a bigger argument for reversal on appeal.
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#20It'd be pretty novel and refreshing if Apple competed for developer buy-in for payments on features and functionality.