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Google Responds To Microsoft’s "Gotcha": They’re Diverting Attention

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Re: Google Responds To Microsoft’s "Gotcha": They’re Diverting Attention

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Post by giberson »

Wait wait wait wait.

A joint acquisition of the Novell patents that gave all parties a license would have eliminated any protection these patents could offer to Android against attacks from Microsoft and its bidding partners.

Having the license to the patent means you get to use the patented technology--no one can come after you. That's the protection, you get to use it. This is bullshit, Google didn't decline the offer because it didn't give them protection, they declined the offer because it didn't give them an ability use those patents against Microsoft.

Re: Google Responds To Microsoft’s "Gotcha": They’re Diverting Attention

#12

Post by nextparadigms »

shabble wrote: post #6

The Nortel patent purse had over 6,000 patents, but InterDigital has over 8,800. If the winning bid on Nortel was $4.5 billion, InterDigital should be well north of $5 billion. Not quite sure where this logic comes from. Surely they're only valuable if they're relevant and strategically useful?

The only reason for the high price of Nortel patents was because all those big name companies got involved. If it's only Google and Apple the price for these patents might be much lower, maybe half. It all depends how Apple and Google want to play witch each other though.

Re: Google Responds To Microsoft’s "Gotcha": They’re Diverting Attention

#13

Post by [deleted] »

giberson wrote: post #11

Wait wait wait wait. A joint acquisition of the Novell patents that gave all parties a license would have eliminated any protection these patents could offer to Android against attacks from Microsoft and its bidding partners. Having the license to the patent means you get to use the patented technology--no one can come after you. That's the protection, you get to use it. This is bullshit, Google didn't decline the of…

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Re: Google Responds To Microsoft’s "Gotcha": They’re Diverting Attention

#14

Post by joebadmo »

giberson wrote: post #11

Wait wait wait wait. A joint acquisition of the Novell patents that gave all parties a license would have eliminated any protection these patents could offer to Android against attacks from Microsoft and its bidding partners. Having the license to the patent means you get to use the patented technology--no one can come after you. That's the protection, you get to use it. This is bullshit, Google didn't decline the of…

You need to learn how defensive patents work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_patent_aggregation

It's not just to stop from being sued over that particular patent, but to be able to use that patent to counter-sue when litigated for other patents.

Google has yet to use any of its patents offensively.

Re: Google Responds To Microsoft’s "Gotcha": They’re Diverting Attention

#15

Post by nextparadigms »

giberson wrote: post #11

Wait wait wait wait. A joint acquisition of the Novell patents that gave all parties a license would have eliminated any protection these patents could offer to Android against attacks from Microsoft and its bidding partners. Having the license to the patent means you get to use the patented technology--no one can come after you. That's the protection, you get to use it. This is bullshit, Google didn't decline the of…

The point is to have weapons for "mutually-assured destruction". Even if they never plan on using them, if Microsoft can use other patents against them and they can't use these patents against Microsoft, then they are useless to them, and Microsoft can go ahead and sue/threaten them with their other patents.

That's the whole point of getting these patents - so you're more "dangerous". If Microsoft had them too, they wouldn't be a threat to them.

Re: Google Responds To Microsoft’s "Gotcha": They’re Diverting Attention

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Post by [deleted] »

giberson wrote: post #11

Wait wait wait wait. A joint acquisition of the Novell patents that gave all parties a license would have eliminated any protection these patents could offer to Android against attacks from Microsoft and its bidding partners. Having the license to the patent means you get to use the patented technology--no one can come after you. That's the protection, you get to use it. This is bullshit, Google didn't decline the of…

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Re: Google Responds To Microsoft’s "Gotcha": They’re Diverting Attention

#17

Post by eridius »

joebadmo wrote: post #14
giberson wrote: post #11

Wait wait wait wait. A joint acquisition of the Novell patents that gave all parties a license would have eliminated any protection these patents could offer to Android against attacks from Microsoft and its bidding partners. Having the license to the patent means you get to use the patented technology--no one can come after you. That's the protection, you get to use it. This is bullshit, Google didn't decline the of…

You need to learn how defensive patents work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_patent_aggregation It's not just to stop from being sued over that particular patent, but to be able to use that patent to counter-sue when litigated for other patents. Google has yet to use any of its patents offensively.

Google didn't argue that this patent purchase was for defensive reasons. They argued that it was for offensive reasons, that these patents could then be used to attack Google and force licensing fees onto Android. That entire argument is negated by the fact that Google had the option of bidding jointly on the patents and, therefore, having a license to them.

Re: Google Responds To Microsoft’s "Gotcha": They’re Diverting Attention

#18

Post by joebadmo »

eridius wrote: post #17
joebadmo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to learn how defensive patents work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_patent_aggregation It's not just to stop from being sued over that particular patent, but to be able to use that patent to counter-sue when litigated for other patents. Google has yet to use any of its patents offensively.

Google didn't argue that this patent purchase was for defensive reasons. They argued that it was for offensive reasons, that these patents could then be used to attack Google and force licensing fees onto Android. That entire argument is negated by the fact that Google had the option of bidding jointly on the patents and, therefore, having a license to them.

They’re doing this by banding together to acquire Novell’s old patents (the “CPTN” group including Microsoft and Apple) and Nortel’s old patents (the “Rockstar” group including Microsoft and Apple), to make sure Google didn’t get them;

Microsoft’s objective has been to keep from Google and Android device-makers any patents that might be used to defend against their attacks.

Where did they argue that it was for offensive reasons?

Re: Google Responds To Microsoft’s "Gotcha": They’re Diverting Attention

#19

Post by hn_decay »

eridius wrote: post #17
joebadmo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to learn how defensive patents work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_patent_aggregation It's not just to stop from being sued over that particular patent, but to be able to use that patent to counter-sue when litigated for other patents. Google has yet to use any of its patents offensively.

Google didn't argue that this patent purchase was for defensive reasons. They argued that it was for offensive reasons, that these patents could then be used to attack Google and force licensing fees onto Android. That entire argument is negated by the fact that Google had the option of bidding jointly on the patents and, therefore, having a license to them.

Would you mind pointing out where Google made that argument?

Because Google didn't make that argument, no matter how terribly M G Sielger may misinterpret it.

"They’re doing this by banding together to acquire Novell’s old patents (the “CPTN” group including Microsoft and Apple) and Nortel’s old patents (the “Rockstar” group including Microsoft and Apple), to make sure Google didn’t get them;"

That's what Google actually said. Google partly owning them in concert with Apple and Microsoft does nothing given that Apple and Microsoft are the primary antagonists of Android.

Re: Google Responds To Microsoft’s "Gotcha": They’re Diverting Attention

#20

Post by [deleted] »

joebadmo wrote: post #14
giberson wrote: post #11

Wait wait wait wait. A joint acquisition of the Novell patents that gave all parties a license would have eliminated any protection these patents could offer to Android against attacks from Microsoft and its bidding partners. Having the license to the patent means you get to use the patented technology--no one can come after you. That's the protection, you get to use it. This is bullshit, Google didn't decline the of…

You need to learn how defensive patents work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_patent_aggregation It's not just to stop from being sued over that particular patent, but to be able to use that patent to counter-sue when litigated for other patents. Google has yet to use any of its patents offensively.

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