Good. There is no better use of state power than ensuring public health. Supreme Court resolved this in 1905 w/r/t smallpox.
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#12I feel awful for the people with religious or medical reasons they can't be vaccinated. I can't imagen having to potentially pick between a truly held religious belief and proving for a family.
From NYT: "Ms. Psaki said that there would be some disability and religious exemptions for some"
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Natural antibodies + vaccination is basically a win-win for everyone, especially noting that the US is wasting vaccines rather than using them. You don't lose anything by getting the vaccine and there's a strong upside in resistance (around 10x more resistant than people who are simply vaccinated). Like, between a 100-200$ blood test to prove natural immunity* vs. a free vaccine, it should make sense to get the vacci…
Why would you risk side effects (which are really low, but do exist) if you already have antibodies? Is argue you do "lose something" if you get a vaccine after having recovered from covid.
Because we know that natural immunity only lasts 6 months and vaccination immunity lasts like 8 months (for Pfizer at least. Moderna probably a little bit longer, unsure how much longer though).
Either way, you need a round to re-up your immune system. A lot of these Delta cases are "breakthroughs", in vaccinated populations... or reinfections (ie: in already infected populations)
For example: South Dakota was something like 50% infected + 50% vaccinated (Roughly 75% with some kind of immunity), and SD still had a huge Delta-spike in July/August.
It has been shown that the effects of vaccination + naturally getting the virus leads to the strongest immune response. The current levels of vaccination are insufficient to prevent spread (see July/August spike).
With the big winter rush coming in just a few months, now is the time to prepare (just like in 2020, the virus seemed to have retreated between September and November. But come December, I expect it to come roaring back unless we up our collective immunities).
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#14I feel awful for the people with religious or medical reasons they can't be vaccinated. I can't imagen having to potentially pick between a truly held religious belief and proving for a family.
The article didn’t really mention exemptions, are you assuming no exemptions for medical / religious reasons or are you saying this from a clearer source?
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#15Regardless of where you stand with this policy, you gotta give it some Kudos:
It's a very efficient way to cleanse your entire bureaucracy of doubters.
I can't think of another example where a democratic republic, which by definition includes a spectrum of opinions, has its whole bureaucratic hierarchy re-aligned with the ruling party's platform.
Maybe this is due to the fact, that this is inherently undemocratic?
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#16I feel awful for the people with religious or medical reasons they can't be vaccinated. I can't imagen having to potentially pick between a truly held religious belief and proving for a family.
"Truly held" false belief is still false, and no justification for undermining public health, or being a parasite on other's contributions to it.
As the MAGA fascist Q-cultists are so fond of chanting, f--k their feelings.
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#17Good. There is no better use of state power than ensuring public health. Supreme Court resolved this in 1905 w/r/t smallpox.
It'll also indirectly purge the fed of people who think celebrities and YouTube are more trustworthy sources of health advice than actual doctors.
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#18> but vaccine hesitancy — particularly among white Republicans This sort of quip really makes me distrust NPR. White people are more vaccinated than blacks or Latinos, but the journalist couldn't help but try to throw in a dunk on their favorite bogeyman. https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/percent-of-total-p...
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#19Good.
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#20> but vaccine hesitancy — particularly among white Republicans This sort of quip really makes me distrust NPR. White people are more vaccinated than blacks or Latinos, but the journalist couldn't help but try to throw in a dunk on their favorite bogeyman. https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/percent-of-total-p...
You cited a page that doesn't split it out by White Republicans or White Democrats, which is a distinction that you quoted in your comment.
Wear protection when grinding axes.