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How to Replace Docker with Podman on a Mac

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Re: How to Replace Docker with Podman on a Mac

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Post by filmgirlcw »

inyorgroove wrote: post #5

While there do exist several alternatives to Docker Desktop, I am a fan of multipass. Something I don't see anyone talking about, the host to guest volume mounting performance can't be beat. The alternatives can't hold a candle to Docker Desktop's solution. I need this volume mounting to get development code changes into the container in a reasonable time and the alternative performance feels like running on a standa…

I like Multipass a ton, but as with almost every Docker/VM/Linux config right now, support on the M1 Mac is mixed. (Yes, yes, I know Docker Desktop works on the M1 now. But not all container images do, some run emulated, some break, there are still lots of papercuts.) I’ve had some success with the most recent builds of Multipass, but it isn’t reliable.

For devs who still have access to an Intel Mac, I personally would still use that over an M1 for container/VM/Linux tasks. We’re only a year into the transition so that’s OK, but don’t be caught off guard if you move to an M1 and find your stuff breaking. Incidentally, this is where I find stuff like GitHub Codespaces really nice because I can offload the container bits to a different machine.

Re: How to Replace Docker with Podman on a Mac

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Post by easton »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #11
inyorgroove wrote: post #5

While there do exist several alternatives to Docker Desktop, I am a fan of multipass. Something I don't see anyone talking about, the host to guest volume mounting performance can't be beat. The alternatives can't hold a candle to Docker Desktop's solution. I need this volume mounting to get development code changes into the container in a reasonable time and the alternative performance feels like running on a standa…

I like Multipass a ton, but as with almost every Docker/VM/Linux config right now, support on the M1 Mac is mixed. (Yes, yes, I know Docker Desktop works on the M1 now. But not all container images do, some run emulated, some break, there are still lots of papercuts.) I’ve had some success with the most recent builds of Multipass, but it isn’t reliable. For devs who still have access to an Intel Mac, I personally wou…

That might be a fun project if Hacktoberfest comes back this year, get open source projects building images for arm64. A lot of times it’s easy to do.

Re: How to Replace Docker with Podman on a Mac

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Post by throwaway234565 »

How does this compare to multipass? I tried multipass out on an Intel Mac yesterday and it worked great until I connected to corporate vpn (anyconnect) and then it all went downhill. Tried some of the workarounds (https://multipass.run/docs/troubleshooting-networking-on-mac...) but no luck. Back to Docker Desktop.

Re: How to Replace Docker with Podman on a Mac

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Post by roywashere »

geerlingguy wrote: post #7
conceptme wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is mentioned in the article. "Fast forward a couple of months, podman-machine is now deprecated in lieu of Vagrant"

So is a Vagrant-based alternative the current solution? Vagrant seems like it's long been a 'maintenance only' project for Hashicorp, though not abandoned at least.

Also vagrant by default depends on virtualbox, and that is x86-only so it does not work on your M1 Mac, or your Pinebook : )

Re: How to Replace Docker with Podman on a Mac

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Post by suchar »

Is there any practical benefit of Podman over Docker on a Mac? Virtual machine is still needed, so any performance issues are likely to persist (well, maybe Docker for Mac is a bit more buggy, but we can manually setup Docker instead of Podman in a similar way).

Also, I think we are losing here access to the Docker socket on the host (inside the virtual machine it can be emulated using docker-podman).

Re: How to Replace Docker with Podman on a Mac

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Post by mbell »

Is there is a solution for using `docker-compose` on mac with podman? I know that podman supports it natively now, and there is `podman-compose`, but I couldn’t find much on getting either working on a mac due to the remote setup.

Re: How to Replace Docker with Podman on a Mac

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Post by arthurcolle »

williamsmj wrote: post #9

My understanding is that this old article is no longer the simplest/easiest way of doing this. For that, see https://marcusnoble.co.uk/2021-09-01-migrating-from-docker-t... . tl;dr: $ brew install podman $ podman machine init $ podman machine start $ alias docker=podman If you're on an M1 you may run into https://github.com/containers/podman/issues/10577 (which is WIP, and may have been resolved by https://github.com…

Does this work with compose? Probably not but just wondering

Re: How to Replace Docker with Podman on a Mac

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Post by Spivak »

arthurcolle wrote: post #18
williamsmj wrote: post #9

My understanding is that this old article is no longer the simplest/easiest way of doing this. For that, see https://marcusnoble.co.uk/2021-09-01-migrating-from-docker-t... . tl;dr: $ brew install podman $ podman machine init $ podman machine start $ alias docker=podman If you're on an M1 you may run into https://github.com/containers/podman/issues/10577 (which is WIP, and may have been resolved by https://github.com…

Does this work with compose? Probably not but just wondering

podman-compose is a thing but it’s not feature complete.
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