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Hustle culture is not toxic

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Re: Hustle culture is not toxic

#11

Post by codyswann »

Very few things impress me, but dedication impresses me. Whenever someone is willing to sacrifice to chase something, I find it to be fascinating. Even if the something isn't particularly noble or even "good."

A singular focus on a goal at the expense of much over a long period of time - especially if that goal is achieved - is aspiring.

For me, that focus is my work, but for someone else, it might be their kids, their God, their country, their cause - whatever.

But find a focus and dedicate yourself to it.

Re: Hustle culture is not toxic

#12

Post by TillE »

perardi wrote: post #8
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #2

> I derive happiness from working towards an enormous goal. Why an “enormous” goal? Does that come from a place of hubris. Do you push other people towards your enormous goal even at the cost of relationships and health? And how much does you “enormous” goal actually benefit society?

In this case, it appears to be…another website analytics tool. Not sure how that is “enormous”.

Yeah that's the real disconnect with this mindset. Like, are you even doing something important, something worth the effort? In most cases, probably not.

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#14

Post by engineer_22 »

codyswann wrote: post #11

Very few things impress me, but dedication impresses me. Whenever someone is willing to sacrifice to chase something , I find it to be fascinating. Even if the something isn't particularly noble or even "good." A singular focus on a goal at the expense of much over a long period of time - especially if that goal is achieved - is aspiring. For me, that focus is my work, but for someone else, it might be their kids, th…

I'm also fascinated by the people who are so unyieldingly focused. I think it interests me because focus that intense points towards "existential meaning". Which itself is a subject worthy of considerable thought.

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#15

Post by klyrs »

The author demonstrates that a one-summer hustle had a good outcome. Nobody's trying to take that away from you. Sometimes, I cannot contain my passion for a problem and I need to make a choice: lie in bed with a buzzing brain, or get up and work on it. All that's fine. But, word of warning from somebody who was all hustle for over a decade: burnout is real.

Hustle culture says we should all be doing the 996 thing for our entire lives and if you don't you're a weakling who doesn't deserve bread. That's toxic. And (almost) nobody actually has that opinion. But it's what people hear when they're already burnt out and a cubemate brags about how little sleep they got before an arbitrary deadline.

Positive outcomes from self-driven hustle: good. Hustle culture: still toxic.

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Post by newbie789 »

It sounds like it sucks that this individual has conflated their personal subjective feeling of happiness with a phenomenon from Twitter called “hustle culture.”

I’m personally not entirely clear on what the exact definition of hustle culture is, but if it’s a buzzword from social media that defines people’s entire lives that doesn’t sound… ideal. I personally can’t imagine reading such a generic sounding phrase — written by a stranger that certainly wasn’t talking about me — and feeling a call to action to defend my lifestyle in public.

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Post by weare138 »

klyrs wrote: post #15

The author demonstrates that a one-summer hustle had a good outcome. Nobody's trying to take that away from you. Sometimes, I cannot contain my passion for a problem and I need to make a choice: lie in bed with a buzzing brain, or get up and work on it. All that's fine. But, word of warning from somebody who was all hustle for over a decade: burnout is real. Hustle culture says we should all be doing the 996 thing fo…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

Re: Hustle culture is not toxic

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Post by VictorPath »

This testimony puts even Alexey Stakhanov, hero of socialist labor to shame. I find it inspirational, and will work even harder for the company! Maybe I can work hard enough to put another penny of dividend on each stock for the stockholders. Goodbye friends, goodbye family, goodbye gym, goodbye daylight, the backlog is full of user stories and I have work to do!

Re: Hustle culture is not toxic

#19

Post by mickeyben »

Hustle culture IMO is when you impose long working hours to your employees, when you judge your coworkers by their working time or do not give a promotion to someone because he has a healthy work-time balance.

It's not about how much you work.

I've been working hard at times, I still do from time to time but I never impose it to anyone. And when I'm in one of these periods when I push myself I do extra care of not showing it; not pushing code out of normal hours, not sending slack or emails,...

Because even showing you're doing it is already a step in the bad direction, it normalizes it, and ultimately create this hustle culture.

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