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Google's CEO Just Gave the Best Reason yet for Not Returning to the Office

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Re: Google's CEO Just Gave the Best Reason yet for Not Returning to the Office

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perl4ever wrote: post #10
aerosmile wrote: post #6

The author points out on several occasions why it makes more sense for employers to have people return to the office. Then, he delivers the punchline for WFH: "many employees simply don't want to return." That's it - no more, no less. Hidden in there somewhere is the assumption that no more justification is needed - if an employee doesn't fancy going to work, the employer should let them do whatever they want. For th…

>they make employees look like spoiled children The choice being made to force people back in the office seems deranged when you calmly consider the facts in a logical manner. Everybody, including those who have been vaccinated, is being told they must wear a mask and stay six feet apart at all times. At the same time as employees are being forced back, everybody is agreeing that contagion could be a life and death m…

I am not interested in engaging in a political discussion. My points were entirely focused on the author who presented his case with the logic of a 5-year-old ("No! I don't want to!"). Your comments have the maturity and thoughtfulness that I was hoping to see in an article that was on the front page of HN.

Re: Google's CEO Just Gave the Best Reason yet for Not Returning to the Office

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Post by perl4ever »

aerosmile wrote: post #11
perl4ever wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>they make employees look like spoiled children The choice being made to force people back in the office seems deranged when you calmly consider the facts in a logical manner. Everybody, including those who have been vaccinated, is being told they must wear a mask and stay six feet apart at all times. At the same time as employees are being forced back, everybody is agreeing that contagion could be a life and death m…

I am not interested in engaging in a political discussion. My points were entirely focused on the author who presented his case with the logic of a 5-year-old ("No! I don't want to!"). Your comments have the maturity and thoughtfulness that I was hoping to see in an article that was on the front page of HN.

>I am not interested in engaging in a political discussion

Nor I. What struck you as political in my comment?

I'm not that concerned with Google specifically, since I don't work there.

Re: Google's CEO Just Gave the Best Reason yet for Not Returning to the Office

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Post by aerosmile »

perl4ever wrote: post #12
aerosmile wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not interested in engaging in a political discussion. My points were entirely focused on the author who presented his case with the logic of a 5-year-old ("No! I don't want to!"). Your comments have the maturity and thoughtfulness that I was hoping to see in an article that was on the front page of HN.

>I am not interested in engaging in a political discussion Nor I. What struck you as political in my comment? I'm not that concerned with Google specifically, since I don't work there.

The opinion on the level of health risk one is supposed to take on in an effort to keep the economy running is very much split along the political lines. For every solid argument you brought up, there's a solid counterargument from the other side of the fence. Both sides of the fence include intellectuals who can be extremely thoughtful and reasonable. I don't think that HN would be the right time and place to regurgitate all the reasonable arguments from both sides (and certainly not all the unreasonable ones).

Re: Google's CEO Just Gave the Best Reason yet for Not Returning to the Office

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Post by perl4ever »

aerosmile wrote: post #13
perl4ever wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I am not interested in engaging in a political discussion Nor I. What struck you as political in my comment? I'm not that concerned with Google specifically, since I don't work there.

The opinion on the level of health risk one is supposed to take on in an effort to keep the economy running is very much split along the political lines. For every solid argument you brought up, there's a solid counterargument from the other side of the fence. Both sides of the fence include intellectuals who can be extremely thoughtful and reasonable. I don't think that HN would be the right time and place to regurg…

First of all, I was reflecting on the situation in the public sector, in a very blue state, where officially you strictly don't talk politics at work. Do you think my comments were all from "one side of the fence"? Which one?

Also, I wasn't expressing any opinion on what risk there is or what risk should be acceptable.

I don't see anything political in the fact that multiple parents are concerned about bringing covid home to their family if people don't wear masks.

It doesn't matter what people are saying in internet debates; I was stating this is what real people are saying in non-political, offline conversation.

I also don't see politics in the sense of left or right if the leader of our organization is making decisions that I don't see the sense in. I think leaders of all types can fall in a trap where they commit to something just because they don't want to look weak and wishy washy.

As far as my risk goes, if everybody wants to wear masks, I'm fine with it, and if nobody wants to wear mask, I'm fine with that too.

I waited my turn, then I got vaccinated promptly, now there is nothing for me to do. I just want whatever people decide to make sense.

Re: Google's CEO Just Gave the Best Reason yet for Not Returning to the Office

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Post by alisonkisk »

unknownus3r wrote: post #8

Deeply polarizing topic but I maintain that being in person is far superior to being remote. I think hybrid is the worst thing you can do, though. Pick one or the other; hybrid messes up everything. The whole point of being in person is to have access to people you’d never see or talk to otherwise. It’s much more organic to run into somebody at the water cooler and warm intro yourself and learn more about the company…

Try audio chat so you don't need to stare at a screen.

Use your extra non-commute time to call a random coworker to chat.

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