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Re: Google: Patently Absurd

#11
How is Google’s argument here different than simply demanding that Apple, Microsoft, Oracle, et al should simply sit back and let Google do whatever it wants with Android, regardless of the patents they hold?

And why should it be different? The fact of the matter is that the idea of Google going after Apple, Microsoft etc for violating Google's patents isn't even an issue. Wanna know why? Because Google's competing on the merit of the product. It's letting the customers make the choice b/w the Microsoft OS and Android.

Whereas if Microsoft had it's way, the customer wouldn't even have a choice. Thats the real difference.

Re: Google: Patently Absurd

#12
post #5

I'm not sure how to say this without coming across as incendiary, but what the hell? Is Gruber utterly oblivious to the horrible state of software patents and their abuses? Is he actually condoning the abominable software patents that every other sane developer despises? Yes, Google is trying to ward off being picked to death by a myriad of utterly worthless (in the market, not legal sense) patents. Yes, Google is li…

Amen. EVERYONE violates patents when writing software, even a simple web app. Be sure of it. The best defense (I've been told by laywers) is NOT to look up possible patents, so at least you can say you didn't know if you ever get sued. It's a strange world. Google is totally doing the right thing.

Re: Google: Patently Absurd

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post #4

What I think: It's ok for Apple, Microsoft et al to defend themselves if Android violates their own patents . It's not ok for Apple, Microsoft et al to defend themselves if Android violates patents they didn't develop . Also, remember that although Microsoft & Oracle claims that Android violated some of their software patents, Apple claims against Samsung go far beyond that, this analysis by Nilay Patel is pretty goo…

If the patent system worked correctly, that would be true. But it hands out heaps of trivial patents, so not even that.

Re: Google: Patently Absurd

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What I think: It's ok for Apple, Microsoft et al to defend themselves if Android violates their own patents . It's not ok for Apple, Microsoft et al to defend themselves if Android violates patents they didn't develop . Also, remember that although Microsoft & Oracle claims that Android violated some of their software patents, Apple claims against Samsung go far beyond that, this analysis by Nilay Patel is pretty goo…

I concur. But it brings an additional question:

Is it right for Google to defend itself with patents they didn't develop? (like for instance those bought from IBM)

In this case I think not.

Re: Google: Patently Absurd

#16
Google can be opposed to patents, but also try to purchase them because at this point in time, if they don't then they will be crushed by others using patents against them.

Also, Gruber seems to think that that it's hypocritical for Google to have bid for the patents and upset that others won them, though he seems to be missing the part where a consortium of competitors are the people that won them, not a single company.

Re: Google: Patently Absurd

#17
It's weird to me that Gruber claims, like he did in a recent episode of his podcast with Dan Benjamin, that he's not anti-Google. I mean, why deny something that's so self-evident?

His arguments here are just so disingenuous.

"So if Google had acquired the rights to these patents, that would have been OK."

Yes, because Google isn't forming a cartel to stifle competition.

"It’s OK for Google to undermine Microsoft’s for-pay OS licensing business by giving Android away for free, but it’s not OK for Microsoft to undermine Google’s attempts to give away for free an OS that violates patents belonging to Microsoft?"

Yes, because Google isn't using an artificial barrier (the patent system). And because those patents are bogus. Because most, if not all, software patents are bogus. That's pretty clearly Google's stated position.

"First, the “estimate” of $1 billion was partially set by Google itself."

But there's no denying that this is by several times the largest amount ever paid for a patent portfolio.

"They’re effectively arguing against the idea of the patent system itself, simply because Android violates a bunch of patents held by Google’s competitors."

Yes they are arguing against the patent system, at least for software, as do many in the industry. There's nothing hypocritical about that.

"Google supporters claim that Google only wants to use patents defensively. But what exactly does Google need to defend against, if not actual patents Android actually violates?"

This argument betrays either a very weak understanding of how defensive patents work or a deep dishonesty of argumentation. Maybe both. This argument can be applied to the very idea of defensive patents.

It's conflicting that someone who's so obviously intelligent and often terribly insightful (not to mention witty) can be so willfully dishonest.

I'm going to back to only reading Gruber's writing on Apple, and ignoring his writing on anything else.

Re: Google: Patently Absurd

#18
It's hard to take Gruber seriously when everything he writes distorts reality and commonsense in the sake of representing them in ways that favor Apple Inc and its endeavors.

His thoughts on WebM vs. Apple backed MPEG-LA are equally ridiculous.

Re: Google: Patently Absurd

#19

How is Google’s argument here different than simply demanding that Apple, Microsoft, Oracle, et al should simply sit back and let Google do whatever it wants with Android, regardless of the patents they hold? And why should it be different? The fact of the matter is that the idea of Google going after Apple, Microsoft etc for violating Google's patents isn't even an issue. Wanna know why? Because Google's competing o…

But what about if the "merit" of the product is based on innovation developed by others?

Re: Google: Patently Absurd

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post #5

I'm not sure how to say this without coming across as incendiary, but what the hell? Is Gruber utterly oblivious to the horrible state of software patents and their abuses? Is he actually condoning the abominable software patents that every other sane developer despises? Yes, Google is trying to ward off being picked to death by a myriad of utterly worthless (in the market, not legal sense) patents. Yes, Google is li…

I don't think that Gruber was making a case for software patents. He has said in the past that he doesn't believe in them. His argument seemed to be that instead of Google lobbying to rid the world of software patents, they seemed to be playing the same game as MS, Apple & Oracle by bidding on the Nortel patents. It doesn't help Google's case that they're an investor in Intellectual Ventures as well.

He makes an interesting point that if software patents are valid then why should these other companies allow Google to use it and give away Android for free to undermine their own business.

It's all the more reason that the patent system needs to be reformed but it will never happen because there are too many powerful people involved that don't want to see it happen.

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