Live data from Hacker News

COVID-19 vaccine wastage data from the CDC

anonymousdata.medium.com

11–20 of 23 posts

Re: COVID-19 vaccine wastage data from the CDC

#11
post #2

Yup. Manufacturers will need to move to single dose vials pretty soon. I was talking to pharmacists that reconstitute a 10 dose vial to vaccinate someone and have to toss the other 9 doses as they go bad. 11M wasted doses is frightening. That would vaccinate the entire population of New Zealand.

Twice over

They might be referencing the two shots you get to be considered vaccinated in this context?

Re: COVID-19 vaccine wastage data from the CDC

#13
post #9
post #2

Yup. Manufacturers will need to move to single dose vials pretty soon. I was talking to pharmacists that reconstitute a 10 dose vial to vaccinate someone and have to toss the other 9 doses as they go bad. 11M wasted doses is frightening. That would vaccinate the entire population of New Zealand.

Not sure about that. When the mass vaccination phase will end, sure, but now, with adequate planning, we can still make good use of these multi-dose vials. 3% waste is bad but not that bad. I remember in the beginning of the vaccination campaign that the vials themselves were in short order. It is probably all sorted out but making 10 times more will create additional logistics and production challenges. Is it worth…

But the "plan the vaccinations" doesn't happen in countries that are at a point where most people who can be bothered to make an appointment already got vaccinated and they rely on making it easily available for walk-ins in as many places as possible to reach the rest.

Re: COVID-19 vaccine wastage data from the CDC

#14
post #12

Wastage is bad obviously, but 3% is pretty good. I've heard it's at or below the wastage for similar drugs.

That's for the country as a whole, though. I'd expect it to vary quite a bit from state to state. In some of the low vaccination rate/high COVID rate states there were pharmacies having almost their entire allotment expire due to low demand.

It will be interesting to see the geographic distribution when the site gets this part done:

> I’m working on mapping all retail pharmacy locations to waste over time

Re: COVID-19 vaccine wastage data from the CDC

#15
post #13
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about that. When the mass vaccination phase will end, sure, but now, with adequate planning, we can still make good use of these multi-dose vials. 3% waste is bad but not that bad. I remember in the beginning of the vaccination campaign that the vials themselves were in short order. It is probably all sorted out but making 10 times more will create additional logistics and production challenges. Is it worth…

But the "plan the vaccinations" doesn't happen in countries that are at a point where most people who can be bothered to make an appointment already got vaccinated and they rely on making it easily available for walk-ins in as many places as possible to reach the rest.

Vaccines aren't free but aren't expensive to produce. If people are just walking in off the street to be vaccinated, with no planning, then it is probably past the point where 3% wastage is material.

Waste not want not, a 3% loss isn't great. But this must be one of the fastest rollouts of a vaccine in human history - it just doesn't matter that much. The 97% that is not wasted is the important part.

Re: COVID-19 vaccine wastage data from the CDC

#16
post #15
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the "plan the vaccinations" doesn't happen in countries that are at a point where most people who can be bothered to make an appointment already got vaccinated and they rely on making it easily available for walk-ins in as many places as possible to reach the rest.

Vaccines aren't free but aren't expensive to produce. If people are just walking in off the street to be vaccinated, with no planning, then it is probably past the point where 3% wastage is material. Waste not want not, a 3% loss isn't great. But this must be one of the fastest rollouts of a vaccine in human history - it just doesn't matter that much. The 97% that is not wasted is the important part.

Vaccines are also in extremely limited supply, globally speaking, and it's not a great look for countries to act is if throwing away millions of doses isn't a big deal while other countries are limited by not getting enough.

Re: COVID-19 vaccine wastage data from the CDC

#18
Where are the majority of vaccines produced ending up nowadays? Rich countries placed orders greater than they could possibly use, and now rates of take-up are slowing in those countries. Presumably vaccine is being produced as fast as ever to fulfil those orders. Is Covax actually getting the excess to the rest of the world?

Re: COVID-19 vaccine wastage data from the CDC

#19
post #18

Where are the majority of vaccines produced ending up nowadays? Rich countries placed orders greater than they could possibly use, and now rates of take-up are slowing in those countries. Presumably vaccine is being produced as fast as ever to fulfil those orders. Is Covax actually getting the excess to the rest of the world?

In fairness to the rich countries, when they placed orders no one really knew how many people would be willing to get vaccinated. So naturally they estimated on the high side.

Re: COVID-19 vaccine wastage data from the CDC

#20

Not that we (western hemisphere) are not wasting other things that rest of the planet's inhabitants can benefit from.

Not that logistics aren't a real issue and just because some waste could have been prevented if only we could have magically teleported it to a person who needed it exactly when they needed it, doesn't mean that there was any realistic way the wastage could have been prevented without creating other, worse issues.
Post reply on HN