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Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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This is a byproduct of the arcane US medical system. The rich see a doctor and get drugs and are warned off ivermectin. The poor see doctors with meters attached, insert $$, get advice, follow advice to pharmacy = another meter, insert $$. Even an ambulance can cost $1000. In Rest of world the state pays health, so the first doctor visit kill the ivermectin myth and they get the proper medication at a fraction of the…

Are you sure extremely poorly educated population isn't also a major factor in this matter? I bet good money that these are the very same people that believe in creationism over evolution, that bush did 9/11, on bigfoot and the illuminati, et al.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Disclaimer: I am not implying I buy into the theories about ivermectin being an effective treatment for COVID.

This feels like another situation where the attempts to quell disinformation are having the opposite of their intended effect.

Depending on where these people first learned of this drug, there is some pretty confusing information floating around. When someone like Bret Weinstein points out that ivermectin is used widely and safely to treat river blindness, but most media sources are focused on “it’s a horse dewormer”, people stop listening.

Censoring most information about the human use of the drug is driving conspiracy types to decreasingly reputable sources and I’d argue that this is more responsible for the overdoses than anything.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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This is a byproduct of the arcane US medical system. The rich see a doctor and get drugs and are warned off ivermectin. The poor see doctors with meters attached, insert $$, get advice, follow advice to pharmacy = another meter, insert $$. Even an ambulance can cost $1000. In Rest of world the state pays health, so the first doctor visit kill the ivermectin myth and they get the proper medication at a fraction of the…

I agree that our medical system is fucked, but what exactly are you referring to here? The process seems the same from when I was poor and now that I'm rich. Make appointment -> pay money -> see doctor -> get prescription -> go to pharmacy -> pay money -> get drugs. And the advice I get from doctors doesn't seem to be any better now. It's not like doctors that poor people see are intentionally giving bad medical advice.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda.

Just one of many examples this week:

"Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronavirus."

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1033485152/joe-rogan-covid-iv...

That's framed as though he took a drug for cows and horses! He certainly did not.

Meanwhile, this is the human version of ivermectin, the one Joe Rogan took:

"In 2015, William Campbell and Satoshi Ōmura won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for its discovery and applications. It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines... Between 1995 and 2010 the program using donated ivermectin to prevent river blindness is estimated to have prevented seven million years of disability whilst costing US$257 million."

Re-read that. It's on the WHO's list of essential medicines. It prevented seven million years of disability for less than $300M. Is that anything remotely like the way it's being portrayed by the media?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin

It's a cheap, Nobel Prize winning medication that is proven safe, having been used billions of times in humans.

Oh, but you can overdose on it? Just like most drugs?

As for its use with regard to Covid, I'm vaccinated and wouldn't personally seek it out, but here's a meta analysis of 63 studies https://ivmmeta.com/ which would suggest it's worth looking at. If doctors are prescribing it, such as in Joe Rogan's case, I don't see why that should be a problem.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Note for readers like me inside the liberal media bubble: the Ivermectin craze isn't 100% nonsense where hillbillies take their horse medicine. As the article notes, it's been seriously studied in various countries and so far afaik hasn't been proved to not be effective.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a byproduct of vaccine hesitancy and politicization of the pandemic.

You can't say vaccine hesitancy hasn't been well earned. It's not like the US doesn't have a history of lying about medical procedures performed on misinformed citizens... Fool me once, shame on you [Tuskegee]. Fool me twice, shame on me [MKULTRA]. Fool me three times...

> Fool me once, shame on you [Tuskegee]

I am so tired of seeing Tuskegee trotted out as an argument by anti vaxxers.

The Tuskegee experiment specifically targeted a selected group of African Americans and was an overtly racist program. COVID vaccines on the other hand are not targeting a specific sample group, they are being given to virtually everyone. There's no sample group. The two are not remotely comparable.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a byproduct of vaccine hesitancy and politicization of the pandemic.

You can't say vaccine hesitancy hasn't been well earned. It's not like the US doesn't have a history of lying about medical procedures performed on misinformed citizens... Fool me once, shame on you [Tuskegee]. Fool me twice, shame on me [MKULTRA]. Fool me three times...

> You can't say vaccine hesitancy hasn't been well earned.

Sure you can. People spend their entire lives studying this shit, dedicating their entire careers to saving people who sit on facebook all day and post nonsense they hear on podcasts and other credit-less sources.

It's not "vaccine hesitancy". It's stupidity.

Domain experts know more than your conspiracy-theorist crazy Facebook aunt. There is no conspiracy here. It doesn't benefit big pharma by giving it out for free, essentially. There are a handful of other pharmas that did want to rush the vaccine and as a result did not make it to manufacturing because they didn't pass the regulatory process.

So no, vaccine "hesitancy" has not been "well earned".

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't say vaccine hesitancy hasn't been well earned. It's not like the US doesn't have a history of lying about medical procedures performed on misinformed citizens... Fool me once, shame on you [Tuskegee]. Fool me twice, shame on me [MKULTRA]. Fool me three times...

> Fool me once, shame on you [Tuskegee] I am so tired of seeing Tuskegee trotted out as an argument by anti vaxxers. The Tuskegee experiment specifically targeted a selected group of African Americans and was an overtly racist program. COVID vaccines on the other hand are not targeting a specific sample group, they are being given to virtually everyone. There's no sample group. The two are not remotely comparable.

It’s not the method, it’s that the government lied about medicine before. No reason they can’t do it again.
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