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UK defence secretary suggests US is no longer a superpower

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Re: UK defence secretary suggests US is no longer a superpower

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The US spends more[1] and has greater production capacity[2] than any other country ever has. If it is not a superpower, then what is it? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_... [2]: https://web.stanford.edu/class/e297a/U.S.%20Defense%20Indust...

Well, that position was held by the British Empire until the Second World War, and look where they are now.

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There is also a fair chance that the UK in its current form won't exist in 10 years time. This creates a particular problem for the UK's nuclear deterrent - which is based in Scotland.

Any independence deal is likely to include an agreement to lease Faslane to the UK, at least for a while. The SNP won't like it, but there needs to be a pragmatic solution. If that doesn't work out, there are alternatives, but it would be hugely expensive.

Yes, but I can't see any chance that it would be allowed to remain for more than 5 years, 10 years as at absolute maximum.

Apparently bases elsewhere in rUK wouldn't be a great idea due to them being too easy to track submarines entering/leaving. Backup locations being considered for the Trident boats apparently include the US or even France.

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The US spends more[1] and has greater production capacity[2] than any other country ever has. If it is not a superpower, then what is it? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_... [2]: https://web.stanford.edu/class/e297a/U.S.%20Defense%20Indust...

This is exactly the point the article is making.

> Those close to the defence secretary acknowledged that his remarks could be read as being aimed at the US. An insider argued that the British minister was emphasising the importance of political will as well as sheer military power.

It now doesn't matter as much how much of GDP you spend on military but also political power as well.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any independence deal is likely to include an agreement to lease Faslane to the UK, at least for a while. The SNP won't like it, but there needs to be a pragmatic solution. If that doesn't work out, there are alternatives, but it would be hugely expensive.

Yes, but I can't see any chance that it would be allowed to remain for more than 5 years, 10 years as at absolute maximum. Apparently bases elsewhere in rUK wouldn't be a great idea due to them being too easy to track submarines entering/leaving. Backup locations being considered for the Trident boats apparently include the US or even France.

what do you mean allowed?

if the UK wished to retain the bases it would make retaining the land a condition for granting independence, similar to Cyprus

this isn't like Article 50 where after 2 years you're out: the nationalists only method to get what they want is by agreeing to Westminster's requiements, in full

otherwise Scotland continues to remain part of UK

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The US spends more[1] and has greater production capacity[2] than any other country ever has. If it is not a superpower, then what is it? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_... [2]: https://web.stanford.edu/class/e297a/U.S.%20Defense%20Indust...

Ministers can redefine the word superpower, and you can downvote me, but with it being defined as, "A superpower is a state with a dominant position characterized by its extensive ability to exert influence or project power on a global scale."[1] the US still is in that set of countries with extensive influence.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower

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Yes, but I can't see any chance that it would be allowed to remain for more than 5 years, 10 years as at absolute maximum. Apparently bases elsewhere in rUK wouldn't be a great idea due to them being too easy to track submarines entering/leaving. Backup locations being considered for the Trident boats apparently include the US or even France.

what do you mean allowed? if the UK wished to retain the bases it would make retaining the land a condition for granting independence, similar to Cyprus this isn't like Article 50 where after 2 years you're out: the nationalists only method to get what they want is by agreeing to Westminster's requiements, in full otherwise Scotland continues to remain part of UK

There is absolutely no way any Scottish government could agree to a long term presence on the Clyde.

Re: UK defence secretary suggests US is no longer a superpower

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The current government in the UK was more aligned to the worldviews of Trump's administration. They'll throw shade at the current US administration whenever and wherever they can in an attempt to bolster their own standing which has taken strain. The British public follow US politics very closely.
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