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Reddit communities ‘go dark’ in protest over Covid misinformation

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Re: Reddit communities ‘go dark’ in protest over Covid misinformation

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In the old days we used to go dark to protest censorship. Now Reddit goes dark to demand censorship. That's fucked.

In most cases, the information being censored is harmless or useful. Censorship of this sort is unjustifiable. In this case, what is being censored is information that leads directly, or almost-directly, to unnecessary deaths. Non -censorship of such speech is ethically unjustifiable to me.

Selfhoster as your name, crying for restrictions. Wild.

I'm vaccinated.

Re: Reddit communities ‘go dark’ in protest over Covid misinformation

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The popcorn communities that are following this have found some great results in reaction to this. Frustrated with the inaction of the admins some redditors proceeded to make /r/ivermectin into a NSFW subreddit by posting drawn sexual content involving horses: https://old.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/pfb2kr/ch... Meanwhile last night there are accusations being pushed by both sides about pedophilia: https:/…

An update, the main sub pushing the misinformation, r/NoNewNormal was just banned and r/Ivermectin is under quarantine.

Re: Reddit communities ‘go dark’ in protest over Covid misinformation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most cases, the information being censored is harmless or useful. Censorship of this sort is unjustifiable. In this case, what is being censored is information that leads directly, or almost-directly, to unnecessary deaths. Non -censorship of such speech is ethically unjustifiable to me.

When will people understand that what’s wrong with censorship isn’t what information is or isn’t being censored, it’s the act itself. It would just be better if people like you just admitted you don’t believe in free speech. It’s a philosophical argument that just goes over your heads.

I'm against the act of censorship on principle, but it's not the only principle I believe in. I also believe in the principle that unnecessary deaths should be avoided, and that principle takes precedence over the other one.

Re: Reddit communities ‘go dark’ in protest over Covid misinformation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most cases, the information being censored is harmless or useful. Censorship of this sort is unjustifiable. In this case, what is being censored is information that leads directly, or almost-directly, to unnecessary deaths. Non -censorship of such speech is ethically unjustifiable to me.

Selfhoster as your name, crying for restrictions. Wild. I'm vaccinated.

I'm not an anarchist. The only reason why I call for censorship of this content is because one's own right to expression should never trump another's right to live.

Re: Reddit communities ‘go dark’ in protest over Covid misinformation

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In the old days we used to go dark to protest censorship. Now Reddit goes dark to demand censorship. That's fucked.

Whelp, if there's anyone who knows anything about the effectiveness of censorship, it would be you.

Trying to blacklist the word, hijacking any channel that mentioned 'libera' in the topic in any context led to you once having the largest IRC network by user count... to... what is it now? 1500 users, tops?

Now Libera is number 1 on Netsplit.de and you would rank at about 22... if they were feeling generous.

Re: Reddit communities ‘go dark’ in protest over Covid misinformation

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The popcorn communities that are following this have found some great results in reaction to this. Frustrated with the inaction of the admins some redditors proceeded to make /r/ivermectin into a NSFW subreddit by posting drawn sexual content involving horses: https://old.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/pfb2kr/ch... Meanwhile last night there are accusations being pushed by both sides about pedophilia: https:/…

They certainly have a right to do so, but since reddit complied, it is censorship.

There is the usual talk about how companies aren't bound to the first amendment. If you only adhere to it because you are compelled by law you fail the most basic levels of literacy on that topic.

This doesn't mean you are not allowed to oppose the opinions uttered in that subs at all. But its prominency is mainly caused by tantrums like this in the first place. This is destructive in many way and reddit does promote actors far worse than people believing misinformation.

Re: Reddit communities ‘go dark’ in protest over Covid misinformation

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post #2

In the old days we used to go dark to protest censorship. Now Reddit goes dark to demand censorship. That's fucked.

In most cases, the information being censored is harmless or useful. Censorship of this sort is unjustifiable. In this case, what is being censored is information that leads directly, or almost-directly, to unnecessary deaths. Non -censorship of such speech is ethically unjustifiable to me.

Worse enough that many journalists have this opinion today, although I can understand that given their dire financial situation. But opinions like this are indicative of a severe lack of literacy.

What leads to death is a reactionary movement against vaccination and medical advice. A reaction that is actually healthy, because it is directed against censorship. Censorship some bad actors try to enforce. Any mod on reddit that took part here should be quite ashamed.

Re: Reddit communities ‘go dark’ in protest over Covid misinformation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Selfhoster as your name, crying for restrictions. Wild. I'm vaccinated.

I'm not an anarchist. The only reason why I call for censorship of this content is because one's own right to expression should never trump another's right to live.

That is not the case here.

Re: Reddit communities ‘go dark’ in protest over Covid misinformation

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most cases, the information being censored is harmless or useful. Censorship of this sort is unjustifiable. In this case, what is being censored is information that leads directly, or almost-directly, to unnecessary deaths. Non -censorship of such speech is ethically unjustifiable to me.

When will people understand that what’s wrong with censorship isn’t what information is or isn’t being censored, it’s the act itself. It would just be better if people like you just admitted you don’t believe in free speech. It’s a philosophical argument that just goes over your heads.

> It would just be better if people like you just admitted you don’t believe in free speech.

It would be better if people like you could realise you have no idea what free speech is.

Free speech is not free from the consequences of said speech.

If a private site feels that your words are not warranted, they're free to turn you away.

Nobody owes you a platform to say whatever you want without any responsibility due whatsoever.

Is it censorship to arrest someone for falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater? No. It isn't.

Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1357/

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