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The 'Dead-Internet Theory'

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Or maybe there’s an AI that did come to awareness somewhere and decided to wipe humans out by getting us to violently fight with one another with outrageous stuff on the internet. There’s a Douglas Adams quote that goes something like “for every part of the universe there’s some other part that would look at the original part with outright disgust.”

There's a fantastic short story called "Sort by Controversial" about a startup that develops a technology that generates the most controversial statements possible and threatens to destroy humanity:

https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/10/30/sort-by-controversial/

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The original joke was, on the Internet, no one knows you're a dog. Now it's no one knows you're a bot. (now they not only know you're a dog, but what kind of dog food you eat and how often you go walkies)

Thanks to the near constant nudges of adtech recommendation algos I'd say it's that no one knows if they are a bot.

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Or maybe there’s an AI that did come to awareness somewhere and decided to wipe humans out by getting us to violently fight with one another with outrageous stuff on the internet. There’s a Douglas Adams quote that goes something like “for every part of the universe there’s some other part that would look at the original part with outright disgust.”

There's a fantastic short story called "Sort by Controversial" about a startup that develops a technology that generates the most controversial statements possible and threatens to destroy humanity: https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/10/30/sort-by-controversial/

In the early days of IRC, around 1991, there was this bot that was ... possibly the most brilliant Turing test dodge I had ever seen. It would respond with keywords, but only in the most argumentative, liable-to-set people off, divisive manner possible. The arguments, I figured through probing, were pre-programmed, it wasn't coming up with them on the fly.

You see, people didn't figure out that it was AI because they were too angry. It passed the Turing Test not because it could think, but because it made ordinary people stop thinking. Just as clever as we are if we're both dolts.

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Last week, I looked at the comments on a YouTube video about the Afghanistan withdrawal. I noticed something suspicious: two comments with a similar political view ended with a few whitespaces and a pipe character (“|”), and had generic user names. Then I looked again - there were actually dozens of comments like this on the video!

I know exactly what happened: the programmer used the wrong delimiter. It makes me wonder how many times the programmer did not make such a mistake.

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As expected of the Atlantic, the author misses the point.

The assertion of "Dead Internet" is not (necessarily) that 99% of everything on the net is made by one sinister literal AI run by the US government (though things might well converge to this point eventually). The point is that currently, less and less of the content is organic or real anymore.

"Bot" in modern Internet parlance is shorthand. It CAN mean a GPT-style program posting stuff on its own. It can also mean a human guiding said program, editing and cherry-picking before posting. It can also mean a bunch of humans in a room somewhere who have been paid to blend into various communities and spread propaganda and disinfo, for the sake of nudging opinion or just to muddy the waters. Sometimes in the employ of nation states, sometimes by a company just trying to sell a new pair of shoes. It can also mean the countless rogue individuals who make such posts just because they like to be disruptive.

It can also mean the so-called "algorithms" at work on every major platform now, a near infinite set of interlocking rules twisting and churning beneath the surface. What video will be recommended? What tweet will rise, and which will be buried? What information will be easy to come across, and what will be nearly impossible? This is a level of control and propaganda the tyrants of the previous era could only have dreamed of, and it is the reality of the modern Internet. Not simply to crudely censor or broadcast an idea, but to nudge the population this way or that in ways that are often almost undetectable.

The Internet used to be largely unfiltered, aside from basic trash collection. Now it is highly MANAGED, in ways that are never clear or honest, by agents that wear many masks. THIS is what is meant by "bots." The Atlantic article itself is a perfect example. What is the point of the article? To inform or empower the reader? Of course not. It's to MANAGE. To address the "Dead Internet" theory, a theory that's dangerous because it's true, and blunt it, to shift your opinion by "debunking"/"clarifying"/scoffing.

The Atlantic article was (probably) not written by an AI. It was (probably) written by a real human, working for other real humans. But why was the decision made, by those real people, to write and publish such an article? Because the "Dead Internet" theory is true: the Internet has become an enormous propaganda machine, exploited in turn by any number of powerful groups. The Atlantic is tied into those groups, and they want to keep the gravy train rolling. Maybe Kaitlyn Tiffany was specifically directed to write such an article. Maybe (more likely) she was hired because she was the sort of person who would write a dismissive article like this unbidden as soon as she encountered the "Dead Internet" theory (a "good cultural match for us"). Either way she's no longer an individual simply expressing HER views, but a tool for the small group of people that increasingly dominate the net to express THEIRS.

She's a bot.

And the Dead Internet is full of them.

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The main thing that makes this a wacky conspiracy theory is this personification of intent: "allow me to try to succinctly state my thesis here: the U.S. government is engaging in an artificial intelligence powered gaslighting of the entire world population."

Maybe that's how most people need to understand things (eg "God"), but it's also a straw man (cf claiming the Twin Towers were actively brought down by explosives, rather than simply stopping at the largest beneficiary being the military industrial complex).

Most of the qualitative trends he describes are happening. But the straightforward explanation is that many different entities are trying their hands at such things. And as is common for "AI", there are likely to be many Mechanical Turks.

And so addressing the substance, which I feel is also being covered in very mainstream channels: yes, we are in post-reality. The virtual world increasingly defines the real world. Does anybody not feel that the mess of Covid disinformation is being driven by willful actors, whether for self-interested "engagement" ior actively malevolent propaganda? That disinformation is driving a lot of people to make self-harming choices in the real world. The Covid-21 pandemic is of digital origin.

In the post-reality landscape, your own reasoning ability is paramount. Conspiracy theories that ascribe complex phenomenon to single actors are yet another memetic pitfall to be avoided. See the truth in where they're coming from, but don't drink the Kool Aid.

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Last week, I looked at the comments on a YouTube video about the Afghanistan withdrawal. I noticed something suspicious: two comments with a similar political view ended with a few whitespaces and a pipe character (“|”), and had generic user names. Then I looked again - there were actually dozens of comments like this on the video! I know exactly what happened: the programmer used the wrong delimiter. It makes me won…

Where this gets really sinister is that instances like this can blend and merge with apophenia. Genuine cases of botting lead to people looking for more, and seeing patterns where there aren't any. There have been a few cases of voice assistants passing info on to ad networks, and so now people attribute near black-magic level surveillance abilities to them. Not that I'm complaining; if this is what it takes for people to finally throw out their Alexa, so be it. But it is interesting that gas-lighting can have unexpected negative consequences. Unsurprisingly, people start to get jumpy and irrational when you fuck with their reality.

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As expected of the Atlantic, the author misses the point. The assertion of "Dead Internet" is not (necessarily) that 99% of everything on the net is made by one sinister literal AI run by the US government (though things might well converge to this point eventually). The point is that currently, less and less of the content is organic or real anymore. "Bot" in modern Internet parlance is shorthand. It CAN mean a GPT-…

Fairly poor management to run damage control on a story very few are familiar with. And how exactly is the theory dangerous to "them"? If true, they have the keys to power, they have the financial and political capital needed to weather any culture war, and a literal army of bots to make sure they win. If the dead internet theory is true anyone promoting it is powerless to change things, so why would those in power waste time fighting them?
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