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Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by tomxor »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #2

It always impresses the hell out of me when I see side projects like this project that I couldn’t do myself. On the economic/$$ perspective: the Linux in M1 projects are probably targeted at Mac Minis and given that when you pay for a Mac Mini you are paying for hardware and Apple software. Does this make sense economically, comparing other bare bone systems with a Mac Mini style form factor?

There is also another factor for some of us...

Although practically I am interested in running Linux on an appleM1, my conscious will no longer allow me to fund the company producing it, so I can never own one.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by darkwater »

phire wrote: post #8
mark_l_watson wrote: post #2

It always impresses the hell out of me when I see side projects like this project that I couldn’t do myself. On the economic/$$ perspective: the Linux in M1 projects are probably targeted at Mac Minis and given that when you pay for a Mac Mini you are paying for hardware and Apple software. Does this make sense economically, comparing other bare bone systems with a Mac Mini style form factor?

If you just want a system in the Mac Mini (or MacBook) style form factor, it's probably not worth it. There are plenty of x86 based alternatives and even some low cost ARM solutions. But, if your requirement is for a "high performance" ARM based machine, suddenly the M1 macs become very appealing. Many of the other solutions are ARM dev boards that have a tenth of the performance and very limited RAM. There are some…

> If you just want a system in the Mac Mini (or MacBook) style form factor, it's probably not worth it. There are plenty of x86 based alternatives and even some low cost ARM solutions.

Care to elaborate, or at least some names/models and opinions? I might be in the market for a fanless home server in that form factor. I might end up just buying a Synology but I would like to run HomeAssistant on it as well (although currently it just works fine on a Raspberry Pi4)

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by jon-wood »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #2

It always impresses the hell out of me when I see side projects like this project that I couldn’t do myself. On the economic/$$ perspective: the Linux in M1 projects are probably targeted at Mac Minis and given that when you pay for a Mac Mini you are paying for hardware and Apple software. Does this make sense economically, comparing other bare bone systems with a Mac Mini style form factor?

If you just want something in that sort of form factor, buy an Intel NUC which will work out of the box with any Linux you throw at it.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

jmnicolas wrote: post #6
mark_l_watson wrote: post #2

It always impresses the hell out of me when I see side projects like this project that I couldn’t do myself. On the economic/$$ perspective: the Linux in M1 projects are probably targeted at Mac Minis and given that when you pay for a Mac Mini you are paying for hardware and Apple software. Does this make sense economically, comparing other bare bone systems with a Mac Mini style form factor?

It's not about making sense economically it's just that there are not many ARM platforms out there, so if you want a native ARM dev box, Apple is pretty much the only choice.

That's not true at all. There's plenty of ARM platforms out there, especially in the Linux world they've been around a long time (does the Raspberry PI ring any bells? Or Nvidia Jetson? Or Freescale iMX6? Or Beaglebone Black?). Of course, they don't have M1 performance, but best in class performance was not a condition in you statement.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by haswell »

darkwater wrote: post #12
phire wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you just want a system in the Mac Mini (or MacBook) style form factor, it's probably not worth it. There are plenty of x86 based alternatives and even some low cost ARM solutions. But, if your requirement is for a "high performance" ARM based machine, suddenly the M1 macs become very appealing. Many of the other solutions are ARM dev boards that have a tenth of the performance and very limited RAM. There are some…

> If you just want a system in the Mac Mini (or MacBook) style form factor, it's probably not worth it. There are plenty of x86 based alternatives and even some low cost ARM solutions. Care to elaborate, or at least some names/models and opinions? I might be in the market for a fanless home server in that form factor. I might end up just buying a Synology but I would like to run HomeAssistant on it as well (although…

It’s larger than a Mac mini because it’s meant to be a NAS, but I’ve been running FreeNAS on an HP MicroServer for almost a decade now and it’s been mostly great.

They still make products in that line although I’m not very familiar with the newer offerings.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by nisegami »

tomxor wrote: post #11
mark_l_watson wrote: post #2

It always impresses the hell out of me when I see side projects like this project that I couldn’t do myself. On the economic/$$ perspective: the Linux in M1 projects are probably targeted at Mac Minis and given that when you pay for a Mac Mini you are paying for hardware and Apple software. Does this make sense economically, comparing other bare bone systems with a Mac Mini style form factor?

There is also another factor for some of us... Although practically I am interested in running Linux on an appleM1, my conscious will no longer allow me to fund the company producing it, so I can never own one.

Is buying a used M1 Mac an option?

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by metahost »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #2

It always impresses the hell out of me when I see side projects like this project that I couldn’t do myself. On the economic/$$ perspective: the Linux in M1 projects are probably targeted at Mac Minis and given that when you pay for a Mac Mini you are paying for hardware and Apple software. Does this make sense economically, comparing other bare bone systems with a Mac Mini style form factor?

Not just that but also the fact that the person is so young and so talented! It is amazing and humbling.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by OneEyedRobot »

ducktective wrote: post #3
mark_l_watson wrote: post #2

It always impresses the hell out of me when I see side projects like this project that I couldn’t do myself. On the economic/$$ perspective: the Linux in M1 projects are probably targeted at Mac Minis and given that when you pay for a Mac Mini you are paying for hardware and Apple software. Does this make sense economically, comparing other bare bone systems with a Mac Mini style form factor?

What is your experience about Linux on Macs in general?

Also not the OP.

I've got a Mac Mini (2014?) that I bought for a Mac/Windows contract. Contract is long over so I wiped Windows and now dual-boot MacOS and Pop!_OS (a terrible name). Works fine. The machine is tolerably fast/quiet.

I'd scrub the MacOS entirely as I'm not a huge fan but still like to mess with Rocksmith now and again.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by gizdan »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #2

It always impresses the hell out of me when I see side projects like this project that I couldn’t do myself. On the economic/$$ perspective: the Linux in M1 projects are probably targeted at Mac Minis and given that when you pay for a Mac Mini you are paying for hardware and Apple software. Does this make sense economically, comparing other bare bone systems with a Mac Mini style form factor?

If the performance of the M1 with Linux matches the performance with macOS I honestly believe it's worth it. Apple has produced a wonderful product and personally I'm very likely to purchase a Macbook Pro M1 if Linux is stable on it.

Re: Bare metal Apple M1 Debian at 4K 60

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Post by pcdoodle »

nisegami wrote: post #16
tomxor wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is also another factor for some of us... Although practically I am interested in running Linux on an appleM1, my conscious will no longer allow me to fund the company producing it, so I can never own one.

Is buying a used M1 Mac an option?

I'm in the same boat. If I need one, I'll buy it used.
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