I don't know where this is going. Perhaps prepping for the global warming riots. Is there a way out of surveillance?
Vote. Or be more active in politics.
Too late.
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#12Is there anywhere where you aren’t being watched now?
Brain waves, atleast for now.
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#13Is there anywhere where you aren’t being watched now?
if you hike more than 6 miles from any given trail-head, there will still be people but they usually aren't the kind to have their phone out.
if you start from a place without reception, doubly so.
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#14Interesting. I’m not from Australia but I thought the concept of an Administrative Appeals Tribunal interesting. It seems like a way to offload work from the main court system. According to Wikipedia it also does seem to have oversight by the Federal Court of Australia. [1]
While I agree that this seems like a massive overstep. The actual body seems similar to the FISA court in the US. There wasn’t any detail in the article but I would hope there is a massive audit trail on the ability to modify data or impersonate someone online.
Anyone have any additional details on the AAT’s effect on the average Australian citizen?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_Appeals_Tribuna...
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#15I don't know where this is going. Perhaps prepping for the global warming riots. Is there a way out of surveillance?
You can take a man out of surveillance but you can't take surveillance out of a man
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#16I don't know where this is going. Perhaps prepping for the global warming riots. Is there a way out of surveillance?
Vote. Or be more active in politics.
Voting is how this mess started... how is voting harder going to fix what voting created? Nothing short of a common national ethos of trust in an almost unremovable leader can solve this problem. A leader who can listen to experts and make a choice, even if unpopular, without fear of next election and without the need to aggrandize more power and wealth.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is there a way out of surveillance? Vote with your feet. Divest out of Australia. Make sure there's a brain drain out of the country.
Wouldn’t a brain drain lead to even dumber laws?
Other kind of dumb laws.
Authoritaranism is a special kind of dumbness historically associated with really smart people.
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#19Is there anywhere where you aren’t being watched now?
If the police have a warrant to watch you, then, no. But that is as it should be. As long as there is correct judicial oversight of these capabilities, then this is the correct way for things to be. Nobody should have an expectation of being able to conduct criminal business without surveillance.
The issue comes in when the justice system is not providing correct oversight for this capability. That is wrong and should be vigorously opposed. The capabilities themselves I have no problem with.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is there a way out of surveillance? Vote with your feet. Divest out of Australia. Make sure there's a brain drain out of the country.
Wouldn’t a brain drain lead to even dumber laws?
At that point, who cares? You live somewhere else, not your problem. That's sorta the whole point of leaving a country for political reasons, you feel it's unfixable and not worth hanging around. It's defeatist and doesn't help the people still in Australia, but it's a valid value judgement.