Not even one reference to history. Why do that when mindless mental masturbation gets upvotes. Misguided people are surrounded by misguided people and they are all reinforcing their bullshit.
A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
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Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your partisan lens is showing here, rather blatantly, along with a heavily US-centric tilt. Do you think the spike in crime is driven by the pandemic? A GLOBAL pandemic? Do you think there is a spike in crime in other nations as well? Or do you think that maybe, just maybe, a radical political movement casting all law enforcement officers as bigoted predators may have more to do with it? I vote Democratic, have my wh…
What spike in crime? All data I've seen has shown marked, consistent decreases in crime. Could you link the data you refer to?
> What spike in crime?
Well, see, that's the subtle part. Is there really a crisis-level crime wave (in the US)? There was a sharp decrease in crime in the initial months after lockdowns went into affect, but a spike in gun purchases. As such, homicides, which in the US are overwhelmingly committed with guns, are definitely up. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/30/us-crime-rat...
But it's not anywhere near the historic rates of the '70s. You won't know that from reading the "violent crime collapse porn", which likes to point to absolute numbers (Most murders in 25 years!) while ignoring population and other factors.
So my contention is that the collapse has been embraced by the reactionary Law and Order types to sow fear and uncertainty. This is partly has a pushback against the attempts to reform police and partly as a way to push for economic austerity as well as a return to racist criminal justice policies of the 80s.
Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#13The language of this article is biased and portrays viewpoints using various leftist tropes such as use of "deniers", "right wing", "alt-right". The article is little more than summary of fictional portrayals of future society. Absolute drivel.
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I agree with you on "Right Wing", and with "denier" in the sense of climate change, but alt-right has devolved into a meaningless label for anyone to the right of Mao. I was called "alt-right" by an AI ethics researcher because I asked her if she had looked at the actual data on police shootings/crime and argued with her response that the data released by the FBI UCR (victim reported crime data) was fabricated/fraudulent.
I was also called a "denier" on a trip to Orange County, California last year because I wasn't wearing a mask while walking outside on a boardwalk, by a person who assumed I was an anti-masker. (I simply don't wear them outdoors)
Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your partisan lens is showing here, rather blatantly, along with a heavily US-centric tilt. Do you think the spike in crime is driven by the pandemic? A GLOBAL pandemic? Do you think there is a spike in crime in other nations as well? Or do you think that maybe, just maybe, a radical political movement casting all law enforcement officers as bigoted predators may have more to do with it? I vote Democratic, have my wh…
What spike in crime? All data I've seen has shown marked, consistent decreases in crime. Could you link the data you refer to?
I think it’s currently understood that crime rates in aggregate are down because people stayed home during the pandemic. So, burglary/mugging/drug dealing and other crimes that mostly take place when people are out have fallen. On the flip side, crimes driven by annoyances (for lack of a better term) or “fun” have gone up: murders, domestic violence, car jackings, commercial theft below the local prosecution limit, etc.
While drug related crimes have gone down, it’s likely that criminalized drug behavior has actually gone up but just moved off the streets into homes. Along with decreased enforcement in light of the current cop hatred, this all means that reported crimes are down but criminal behavior may actually be up.
Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
What spike in crime? All data I've seen has shown marked, consistent decreases in crime. Could you link the data you refer to?
> What spike in crime? Well, see, that's the subtle part. Is there really a crisis-level crime wave (in the US)? There was a sharp decrease in crime in the initial months after lockdowns went into affect, but a spike in gun purchases. As such, homicides, which in the US are overwhelmingly committed with guns, are definitely up. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/30/us-crime-rat... But it's not anywhere near…
It's so hard to find good data on this in one place. On one hand there's a pandemic, on the other hand there's police protests, etc. Year by year numbers will be so lumpy that you could support tons of narratives, I bet.
I couldn't find month-by-month numbers quickly for some of the cities in that article like Chicago or NYC, but Baltimore has some: https://homicides.news.baltimoresun.com/?range=2020
Interestingly there, the biggest spike during 2020 happened in May 2020, so generally before the George Floyd killing and protests and "defund the police" movement.
Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your partisan lens is showing here, rather blatantly, along with a heavily US-centric tilt. Do you think the spike in crime is driven by the pandemic? A GLOBAL pandemic? Do you think there is a spike in crime in other nations as well? Or do you think that maybe, just maybe, a radical political movement casting all law enforcement officers as bigoted predators may have more to do with it? I vote Democratic, have my wh…
What spike in crime? All data I've seen has shown marked, consistent decreases in crime. Could you link the data you refer to?
Here's some data from Chicago: https://home.chicagopolice.org/wp-content/uploads/1_PDFsam_D...
Murder in particular is way up.
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#17Not sure which buckets I fit into. Maybe a pessimist bucket that isn't listed. Maybe a matrix of longterm near linear decline with localized event driven rapid declines. Probably a degrowth variant since I do believe there's a minimum level of consumption tied to each person and that incremental cost has a ceiling when talking about sustainable population levels. Probably a combination of apocalyptic and cottage for aesthetics, but the possibilities are probably extremely variable based on many demographic and resource qualities of a given locality as well as what type of collapse.
So, what was the purpose of these categories?
Edit: why downvote?
Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
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I agree with you on "Right Wing", and with "denier" in the sense of climate change, but alt-right has devolved into a meaningless label for anyone to the right of Mao. I was called "alt-right" by an AI ethics researcher because I asked her if she had looked at the actual data on police shootings/crime and argued with her response that the data released by the FBI UCR (victim reported crime data) was fabricated/fraudu…
if people misuse of a specific term in a casual context made the term meaningless, we wouldn't be able to speak of politics, science or any other specific field. Alt-right has a very specific meaning in politics and political analysis, regardless of how it's used in a casual context
Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#19This is actually fun
Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#20The language of this article is biased and portrays viewpoints using various leftist tropes such as use of "deniers", "right wing", "alt-right". The article is little more than summary of fictional portrayals of future society. Absolute drivel.
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