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Re: LudoTune, a 3D music sequencer in the browser

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

Cycl0ps wrote: post #8
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should we try to make it easier?

Are you proposing making it easier causes some detriment?

No. I'm asking why we want it to be easier.

You can make getting from A to B easier (and faster), by replacing walking with cycling. You make it even easier with a bus, and easier still with a car. In some circumstances, this is valuable and should be welcomed. But it's a mistake to think that moving from A to B in a car is actually the same experience as doing so on foot.

I'm suggesting that this might be true of making music also.

Re: LudoTune, a 3D music sequencer in the browser

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Post by ronyeh »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #7
jayeshsalvi wrote: post #3

Great concept. Making music is hard. Such experiments with visual manipulation of music can help make it easier.

Should we try to make it easier?

Yes, we should try to make everything easier!

I'm glad we have cars because sometimes I just want to get from A to B fast. (Maybe someone just wants to enjoy making some light music through a fake book or light up keys.)

Other times, I enjoy hiking half a day because you see a lot of interesting things along the way, and the experience itself is rewarding for other reasons. (Like, conquering a challenging etude works my brain in a certain way and is satisfying.)

Tons of people will opt to make music via the easier option. But many will still try the difficult path, because it is rewarding and your skills compound over time.

And sometimes, a person who first does it the easy way decides that he/she wants to do it the harder way. People like to learn!

Re: LudoTune, a 3D music sequencer in the browser

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Post by filoleg »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #11
Cycl0ps wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you proposing making it easier causes some detriment?

No. I'm asking why we want it to be easier. You can make getting from A to B easier (and faster), by replacing walking with cycling. You make it even easier with a bus, and easier still with a car. In some circumstances, this is valuable and should be welcomed. But it's a mistake to think that moving from A to B in a car is actually the same experience as doing so on foot. I'm suggesting that this might be true of ma…

>I'm suggesting that this might be true of making music also.

No, it isn't, because unlike with getting from point A to point B, the end result isn't always the same with music making.

Music, in that aspect, is more like writing code or visual arts. Printing and photography becoming widely available didn't make visual arts worse, they did the opposite, because instead of focusing on just technical proficiency, the art was forced to move in a more creative direction.

With programming, us not punching cards with code and not using assembly as the primary language didn't make things worse, it just allowed us to go on a higher level and create things that would be unthinkable without that.

Same with music making. Being able to record a virtual orchestra in your bedroom studio doesn't make music as art worse, it opens up way more room for things that weren't even possible before. Just by definition, when it becomes much easier and really accessible to record something in your bedroom, which previously only a few extremely rich people in the world with tons of experienced staff could do, it allows for art to evolve faster and move forward just by the sheer drive of all the people who now have access to contribute to it.

Re: LudoTune, a 3D music sequencer in the browser

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Post by vosper »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #11
Cycl0ps wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you proposing making it easier causes some detriment?

No. I'm asking why we want it to be easier. You can make getting from A to B easier (and faster), by replacing walking with cycling. You make it even easier with a bus, and easier still with a car. In some circumstances, this is valuable and should be welcomed. But it's a mistake to think that moving from A to B in a car is actually the same experience as doing so on foot. I'm suggesting that this might be true of ma…

This isn’t going to replace other ways of making music, in the same way that people still walk and cycle even though cars exist

Re: LudoTune, a 3D music sequencer in the browser

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Post by evanwalsh »

kobalsky wrote: post #17
garrettjoecox wrote: post #9

I have had such a blast playing with this for the last week, reminds me a lot of what you are able to do with noteblocks in Minecraft. Here’s my newest creation https://go.ludotune.com/hui4

what song is this?

"Mad World" by Tears for Fears

Re: LudoTune, a 3D music sequencer in the browser

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Post by dkersten »

zabatuvajdka wrote: post #10
garrettjoecox wrote: post #9

I have had such a blast playing with this for the last week, reminds me a lot of what you are able to do with noteblocks in Minecraft. Here’s my newest creation https://go.ludotune.com/hui4

Nicely done! It’s a neat game. I wouldn’t call it a great tool because it’s impossible for me to interpret the music from the blocks themselves without playing it. That being said I’m sure that wasn’t the original intent of the app! 2D info is much easier for me to decipher.

Yeah, its cool, its fun, but its not useful for actual real world composition, since its rather convoluted to work with and this final piece is incomprehensible, especially compared to a paino roll or similar.

But, of course, like you, I assume that's not the goal so it doesn't matter. It is cool and it is fun and that's all that's important.

And I'm very impressed by this example! garrettjoecox did a great job.

Re: LudoTune, a 3D music sequencer in the browser

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Post by dkersten »

vosper wrote: post #15
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. I'm asking why we want it to be easier. You can make getting from A to B easier (and faster), by replacing walking with cycling. You make it even easier with a bus, and easier still with a car. In some circumstances, this is valuable and should be welcomed. But it's a mistake to think that moving from A to B in a car is actually the same experience as doing so on foot. I'm suggesting that this might be true of ma…

This isn’t going to replace other ways of making music, in the same way that people still walk and cycle even though cars exist

An aside from my own life that I found interesting: for a long time I thought "surely there's a way, electronically or otherwise, to have an easier more ergonomic interface to making guitar-like music than a guitar". Then I learned to actually play the guitar and realised just how much control over the sound you have and how expressive it is and realised that replacing that with something easier would actually be pretty damn hard.
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