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Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by mixedCase » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 1:43 AM UTC

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #6

chownchown wrote: post #3

Can it run anything with thumbnails in the filepicker? I kid. Now what I really wanted to ask.. Is it using Wayland?

> Can it run anything with thumbnails in the filepicker? This is of course a harder and more pervasive problem than one might realize. macOS Finder RAM usage can explode catastrophically and take down the whole system if you have image previews enabled and click on a very large (gigabyte) TIFF.

That sounds like an edge case that should just be accounted for in finder. lgnoring for certain file sizes is a fast solution that can be expanded upon as your thumbnailing programs grow in efficiency and improve their handling of low-IO situations or large files.

Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 1:50 AM UTC

azinman2 wrote: post #4

I’m extremely impressed with anyone’s ability to do this at any age, but if I remember correctly, she’s like 17-19 years old or something? Incredible! You go Alyssa!

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Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by BugsJustFindMe » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 2:05 AM UTC

mixedCase wrote: post #11

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can it run anything with thumbnails in the filepicker? This is of course a harder and more pervasive problem than one might realize. macOS Finder RAM usage can explode catastrophically and take down the whole system if you have image previews enabled and click on a very large (gigabyte) TIFF.

That sounds like an edge case that should just be accounted for in finder. lgnoring for certain file sizes is a fast solution that can be expanded upon as your thumbnailing programs grow in efficiency and improve their handling of low-IO situations or large files.

Should! But apparently isn't. In fact, nearly every image viewing/accessing program assumes that your image content will just happily fit entirely in available RAM after decompression and doesn't bother with things like live tiling.

Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by CharlesW » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 3:04 AM UTC

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #6

chownchown wrote: post #3

Can it run anything with thumbnails in the filepicker? I kid. Now what I really wanted to ask.. Is it using Wayland?

> Can it run anything with thumbnails in the filepicker? This is of course a harder and more pervasive problem than one might realize. macOS Finder RAM usage can explode catastrophically and take down the whole system if you have image previews enabled and click on a very large (gigabyte) TIFF.

> macOS Finder RAM usage can explode catastrophically and take down the whole system if you have image previews enabled and click on a very large (gigabyte) TIFF.

I've experienced (and confirmed with a quick search) that Finder won't display a preview for any file that doesn't have the resources to show.

Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

#15

Post by eyelidlessness » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 3:45 AM UTC

CharlesW wrote: post #14

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can it run anything with thumbnails in the filepicker? This is of course a harder and more pervasive problem than one might realize. macOS Finder RAM usage can explode catastrophically and take down the whole system if you have image previews enabled and click on a very large (gigabyte) TIFF.

> macOS Finder RAM usage can explode catastrophically and take down the whole system if you have image previews enabled and click on a very large (gigabyte) TIFF. I've experienced (and confirmed with a quick search) that Finder won't display a preview for any file that doesn't have the resources to show.

I’ve experienced QuickLook bringing my whole system to a halt just opening a Save dialog. Not actually previewing anything at all.

Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by BugsJustFindMe » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 4:25 AM UTC

eyelidlessness wrote: post #15

CharlesW wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> macOS Finder RAM usage can explode catastrophically and take down the whole system if you have image previews enabled and click on a very large (gigabyte) TIFF. I've experienced (and confirmed with a quick search) that Finder won't display a preview for any file that doesn't have the resources to show.

I’ve experienced QuickLook bringing my whole system to a halt just opening a Save dialog. Not actually previewing anything at all.

Both QuickLook Satellite and also com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService are affected. Who knows what else. I think the save panel is actually trying to generate a preview in those instances, though.

Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by BugsJustFindMe » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 4:33 AM UTC

CharlesW wrote: post #14

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can it run anything with thumbnails in the filepicker? This is of course a harder and more pervasive problem than one might realize. macOS Finder RAM usage can explode catastrophically and take down the whole system if you have image previews enabled and click on a very large (gigabyte) TIFF.

> macOS Finder RAM usage can explode catastrophically and take down the whole system if you have image previews enabled and click on a very large (gigabyte) TIFF. I've experienced (and confirmed with a quick search) that Finder won't display a preview for any file that doesn't have the resources to show.

Watch what can happen: https://imgur.com/a/BAmzgkm

It's quite amazing.

Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by rvz » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 4:46 AM UTC

sys_64738 wrote: post #10

Are there any videos of the movement of windows? Trying to gauge if it’s sluggish or not.

It is using llvmpipe which is a LLVM-based software renderer, so it will be sluggish than what everyone here is used to which is direct rendering manager hardware acceleration. The graphics drivers are not there yet.

Hence this, don't expect graphical elements or graphics intensive software to be any faster than other systems using accelerated graphics right now.

Re: Gnome Shell on the Apple M1, bare metal

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Post by bcook » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 5:36 AM UTC

rvz wrote: post #19

sys_64738 wrote: post #10

Are there any videos of the movement of windows? Trying to gauge if it’s sluggish or not.

It is using llvmpipe which is a LLVM-based software renderer, so it will be sluggish than what everyone here is used to which is direct rendering manager hardware acceleration. The graphics drivers are not there yet. Hence this, don't expect graphical elements or graphics intensive software to be any faster than other systems using accelerated graphics right now.

It looks like that's no longer true: https://twitter.com/alyssarzg/status/1429583864679129098

"Up until now both the Asahi and Corellium kernels were on #1. Sven and the #dri-devel crew helped me spin up #2, which is what I'm using now. #3 is the ultimate here be dragons, but will get us 4k display"