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Ask HN :Why didn't you sign prenup? You regret it now?

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Re: Ask HN :Why didn't you sign prenup? You regret it now?

#11
I don't understand anyone's argument against a prenup. common argument:

> If you want a prenup you shouldn't get married.

That's as nonsensical as saying if you want to wear a seat belt you shouldn't get in a car. Some of us would like to drive a car and avoid unnecessary injury. They are not mutually exclusive.

There are already rules about what happens during divorce. If a partner does not a want a prenup it does not mean they don't want rules. They merely want the "default" rules of divorce. Likely because those rules favor them at great expense to their partner. Alimony, gaining assets they did not contribute to obtaining, etc.

The current laws around divorce are medieval in cruelty and are modern day indentured servitude. With suicide being the only escape. If your partner prefers these laws, they are either ignorant, or do not truly care for you.

Re: Ask HN :Why didn't you sign prenup? You regret it now?

#12
> marriage fails more often than not

That's only true if you include all marriages. People who have been divorced tend to get divorced again if they get married.

First marriages are more likely not to get divorced.

And to answer the question, I didn't sign a prenup because I went through a period where I dated a bit and my wife was much better than everyone else I had dated. We'll be celebrating our 10th anniversary in a few months.

Re: Ask HN :Why didn't you sign prenup? You regret it now?

#14
post #12

> marriage fails more often than not That's only true if you include all marriages. People who have been divorced tend to get divorced again if they get married. First marriages are more likely not to get divorced. And to answer the question, I didn't sign a prenup because I went through a period where I dated a bit and my wife was much better than everyone else I had dated. We'll be celebrating our 10th anniversary…

Yep + college educated people in the tech profession have a much lower divorce rate than average.

Re: Ask HN :Why didn't you sign prenup? You regret it now?

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post #12

> marriage fails more often than not That's only true if you include all marriages. People who have been divorced tend to get divorced again if they get married. First marriages are more likely not to get divorced. And to answer the question, I didn't sign a prenup because I went through a period where I dated a bit and my wife was much better than everyone else I had dated. We'll be celebrating our 10th anniversary…

I saw some study that said if you do 3 things odds are your marriage will work:

Have a university degree + get married over the age of 25 + women have a job

Do these and its ~80% success rate

Re: Ask HN :Why didn't you sign prenup? You regret it now?

#16
Married 10 years here. I've said in an anniversary speech that you should marry someone who you'd bring to a zombie apocalypse. Not just someone who can fight or fix cars... you know, worldly stuff. But someone who's not going to abandon you when things get rough. And someone who you'd risk your life and the lives of your team to rescue.

I think whenever someone says that it defeats the purpose of marriage, what they mean is you probably shouldn't marry someone who doesn't bring you forward and someone you wouldn't want to give more than half your stuff to.

Re: Ask HN :Why didn't you sign prenup? You regret it now?

#17
Think about how to do the risk calculation and figure out if it’s right for you.

Roughly what’s your expected worth times the subjective probability you’ll get a divorce. Also should probably include a scale factor or term to account for the up front legal fees and the later fees.

Now if not having a prenup come out as a risk adjusted loss say… -150k, then ask yourself if you’re willing and it’s reasonable to give your partner a gift of that size right now.

Re: Ask HN :Why didn't you sign prenup? You regret it now?

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post #16

Married 10 years here. I've said in an anniversary speech that you should marry someone who you'd bring to a zombie apocalypse. Not just someone who can fight or fix cars... you know, worldly stuff. But someone who's not going to abandon you when things get rough. And someone who you'd risk your life and the lives of your team to rescue. I think whenever someone says that it defeats the purpose of marriage, what they…

You can both trust someone and have a prenup. The reasoning is that no one is 100% infallible with perfect judgement. Recognizing that you don't have perfect judgement doesn't mean you trust your partner any less.

Re: Ask HN :Why didn't you sign prenup? You regret it now?

#19
When I got married, we had no pre-marital property to speak of, and were still early in our careers. Spending money on lawyers to hash out a plan for how to split up unknowable things doesn't seem like it would have been a good investment.

The default rules seem reasonable enough that trying to do better for both parties without knowing specifics seems unreasonable. Comingling finances is a useful reduction of the total burden of financial management, and wouldn't be possible if you were trying to keep separate accounts.

In this instance, I was the breadwinner, and I would have no problem with an equal split of marital assets, plus or minus making adjustments to keep things easy: no sense giving each person half of three cars, can sell one and give one of the remaining to each spouse, the house might be challenging to split, but we're both reasonable and could figure something out that's more beneficial to both parties than a legal battle.

Re: Ask HN :Why didn't you sign prenup? You regret it now?

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post #16

Married 10 years here. I've said in an anniversary speech that you should marry someone who you'd bring to a zombie apocalypse. Not just someone who can fight or fix cars... you know, worldly stuff. But someone who's not going to abandon you when things get rough. And someone who you'd risk your life and the lives of your team to rescue. I think whenever someone says that it defeats the purpose of marriage, what they…

You can both trust someone and have a prenup. The reasoning is that no one is 100% infallible with perfect judgement. Recognizing that you don't have perfect judgement doesn't mean you trust your partner any less.

I'm not sure we align here.

I'm saying that under a prenup, I'd probably be more generous than the laws would allow for. If you're not marrying someone who you would be generous to, why marry them?

If anything, it's the time of marriage that's when I don't have perfect judgement. Pre-nups would be the worst time to sign a contract.

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