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Re: iOS is worse than Android

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Post by gambiting » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 12:51 PM UTC

nsizx wrote: post #6

manaskarekar wrote: post #5

My biggest peeve is that the Bluetooth toggle doesn’t ape you to turn Bluetooth off completely. It only puts it in some low power idle mode or something. The decision was made for apple watch and airpods to keep the connection I think. To turn Bluetooth really off, one has to go to settings > Bluetooth, then toggle.

Why would you ever want to turn bluetooth off?

1) that's completely irrelevant, if there is a toggle switch for bluetooth, then changing it to off should switch bluetooth....off. I hate Apple constantly pretending they know better what I want to do with my device than I do. If there is a use case here(keeping BLE working for watches and trackers...then make this option explicit in settings)

2) Since I imagine you'd like an example anyway - because I want to prevent my device from automatically connecting to headphones/speakers/cars that it has been paired to in the past.

Re: iOS is worse than Android

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Post by sumthinprofound » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 12:53 PM UTC

nsizx wrote: post #6

manaskarekar wrote: post #5

My biggest peeve is that the Bluetooth toggle doesn’t ape you to turn Bluetooth off completely. It only puts it in some low power idle mode or something. The decision was made for apple watch and airpods to keep the connection I think. To turn Bluetooth really off, one has to go to settings > Bluetooth, then toggle.

Why would you ever want to turn bluetooth off?

bluetooth beacon tracking in retail settings

Re: iOS is worse than Android

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Post by mfer » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 12:54 PM UTC

tannedNerd wrote: post #8

How did this make it to the front page with the very real concerns going on? Its about extremely minor UX issues that while annoying aren't exactly equivalent to the privacy issues right now iOS users are dealing with. The author clearly used the fact most people never click on a link to read it to their advantage to get an incredibly meh blog post to the front.

If we are going to discuss or compare privacy with iOS and Android we should look at the privacy issues of Android.

While I am bothered by the latest privacy issues with iOS, I also realize that Android is terrible at privacy. Right now there is no mainstream option with good privacy.

Re: iOS is worse than Android

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Post by kunagi7 » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 12:54 PM UTC

nsizx wrote: post #6

manaskarekar wrote: post #5

My biggest peeve is that the Bluetooth toggle doesn’t ape you to turn Bluetooth off completely. It only puts it in some low power idle mode or something. The decision was made for apple watch and airpods to keep the connection I think. To turn Bluetooth really off, one has to go to settings > Bluetooth, then toggle.

Why would you ever want to turn bluetooth off?

Avoiding undesired connections to Bluetooth headphones and battery consumption.

Re: iOS is worse than Android

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Post by edly » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 12:55 PM UTC

Apple's notification management has to be the worst I've ever seen. For a company that has made some serious advances in UI/UX and is single-handedly responsible for Android not being a Blackberry clone, their notifications are absolutely atrocious.

iOS 15 is introducing some welcome changes that I wouldn't mind Android copying in the future, such as notification summaries, but that does little to fix the core issues of iOS notification management.

Re: iOS is worse than Android

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Post by taylodl » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 1:07 PM UTC

tannedNerd wrote: post #8

How did this make it to the front page with the very real concerns going on? Its about extremely minor UX issues that while annoying aren't exactly equivalent to the privacy issues right now iOS users are dealing with. The author clearly used the fact most people never click on a link to read it to their advantage to get an incredibly meh blog post to the front.

Actually I'm glad this is getting some attention. Apple's notification center, especially across devices, is a mess - or to be charitable, there's lots of room for improvement! Though it may seem these are extremely minor UX issues, they're actually rather major: they prevent the notification center from being actually usable.

Re: iOS is worse than Android

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Post by WelcomeShorty » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 1:10 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #11

nsizx wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you ever want to turn bluetooth off?

1) that's completely irrelevant, if there is a toggle switch for bluetooth, then changing it to off should switch bluetooth....off. I hate Apple constantly pretending they know better what I want to do with my device than I do. If there is a use case here(keeping BLE working for watches and trackers...then make this option explicit in settings) 2) Since I imagine you'd like an example anyway - because I want to preve…

I got your back: Shortcuts. Shortcuts on iOS lets you create (even location based automated!) actions. Also a single button on your home screen to disable your BT and / or WiFi.

BTW the Bluetooth button USED to turn BT off (same for WiFi) but it was changed to "do not connect to all visible BT devices for one hour" since so many people forgot to re enable their BT / WiFi and complained. So for you and me it is unwanted behaviour, for plenty of others it is now more what they expect.

Re: iOS is worse than Android

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Post by cassianoleal » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 1:12 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #11

nsizx wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you ever want to turn bluetooth off?

1) that's completely irrelevant, if there is a toggle switch for bluetooth, then changing it to off should switch bluetooth....off. I hate Apple constantly pretending they know better what I want to do with my device than I do. If there is a use case here(keeping BLE working for watches and trackers...then make this option explicit in settings) 2) Since I imagine you'd like an example anyway - because I want to preve…

I agree with point 1.

My phone never connects to pre-paired devices when in low-power mode (Apple-off) though.

In fact, I use it to force it to disconnect from devices - sometimes I do that to disconnect the phone from the headphones so I can connect them to another device without powering them off.

BLE is mostly for beacons, to find and suggest hotspots, airdrop, etc.

Re: iOS is worse than Android

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Post by fanf2 » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 1:15 PM UTC

Top tip for cursor navigation on iOS: long press on the space bar turns the keyboard into a trackpad so you can scoot the cursor around; touch briefly with a second finger to select text.

Re: iOS is worse than Android

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Post by acdha » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 1:16 PM UTC

Not sure anything productive will come out of a sweeping title which turns out to his subjective opinion about a few UI features being different than what he’s used to, especially for relatively niche operations. It’s unclear what makes him fiddle with Bluetooth or WiFi so much more than average – joining lots of private WiFi networks? – but it seems like this is Apple optimizing the mainstream use-case, which isn’t exactly unexpected.

Notifications are an interesting case because his logical model doesn’t match the system’s (badges numbers are not just a notification counter - for example, my newsreader & podcast app badge unread items), or which apps he’s using which don’t sync notification state across devices as all of the Apple apps and most mainstream ones do, but also what I think of as a war of attrition trying to have the UI cope with abusive app developers. The App Store ToS disallows marketing spam but if the app is pushing that line, you really should disable notifications or, better, delete it and leave a negative review — trying to filter spam is a losing game when you’re doing it part-time and the developers has a team trying to exploit your attention.