Never thought I’d say this, but this makes me want actual Republicans now in Canada to fight such complete ordure.
Canada's awful new proposals on “harmful” content
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
An elephant in the room is worth noting: democracies were built to avoid dystopias, yet there are growing trends of "it is better to leave" in long established democracies - "Contact your representative then" increasingly seems to no longer be an established, working idea. Several factors may accompany this phenomenon: polarization; perceived failures in education¹; sometimes anti-centrism in the government; politica…
The path of least resistance in 2021 is different from that of 1951. It is much cheaper now to move to another country and you can stay in frequent online contact with your kin. Back then, only serious oppression or poverty would force people to emigrate. If the problems were more tractable, people stayed and attempted to solve them in situ
Yes, but unfortunately, this "impotence option" means the relevant problems will get increasingly radicated.
Some of us are "on the run" in the hope for a better society like nomads looking for natural resources, while civilization was meant to be engineering a solution space in a collective plan, building, not staying someplace until it is spoilt.
It is a huge failure if the terms and conditions of the social contract have come to include «[practically] intractable problems».
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
The path of least resistance in 2021 is different from that of 1951. It is much cheaper now to move to another country and you can stay in frequent online contact with your kin. Back then, only serious oppression or poverty would force people to emigrate. If the problems were more tractable, people stayed and attempted to solve them in situ
Yes, but unfortunately, this "impotence option" means the relevant problems will get increasingly radicated. Some of us are "on the run" in the hope for a better society like nomads looking for natural resources, while civilization was meant to be engineering a solution space in a collective plan, building, not staying someplace until it is spoilt. It is a huge failure if the terms and conditions of the social contra…
You are probably right.
For example, within the EU, there is free movement of people and workforce, which sucks out the best and the most talented people from the peripheries like Andalusia or Bulgaria and lands them in the very prosperous regions of the north-west where they can find good and well-paying jobs.
This is a major problem that cannot be solved by spending extra money on building infrastructure in the peripheries. Infrastructure is fine, but a new highway won't heal anyone's cancer. Lack of doctors and engineers cannot be easily countered with development projects that tend to be mired in corruption.
Not even immigration can help that, because highly qualified immigrants won't stay in the periphery, and unqualified immigrants cannot provide the necessary work.
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#14I expect Canada to become a police state (its already on the way) and the brain drain to accelerate. Bill C-10 and C-36 are horrific China emulating policies, loose definition of "hate speech", bypassing courts in favour of human rights tribunals with 100% conviction rates and no requirement of evidence, preventative enforcement by police. With C-36, even saying something truthful, if causes perceived harm is a punis…
> Bill C-10 and C-36 are horrific China emulating policies, loose definition of "hate speech", bypassing courts in favour of human rights tribunals with 100% conviction rates and no requirement of evidence, preventative enforcement by police.
Didn't the current premier's father do pretty much the same thing (suspend constitutional rights) in the 70's for... dubious reasons to say the least? He was also the man who paved the way to normalize relations with China and Cuba, two nations known for their respect of human rights.
> and the brain drain to accelerate.
On the hiring side I can tell it's happening.
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#15I expect Canada to become a police state (its already on the way) and the brain drain to accelerate. Bill C-10 and C-36 are horrific China emulating policies, loose definition of "hate speech", bypassing courts in favour of human rights tribunals with 100% conviction rates and no requirement of evidence, preventative enforcement by police. With C-36, even saying something truthful, if causes perceived harm is a punis…
> Bill C-10 and C-36 are horrific China emulating policies, loose definition of "hate speech", bypassing courts in favour of human rights tribunals with 100% conviction rates and no requirement of evidence, preventative enforcement by police. Didn't the current premier's father do pretty much the same thing (suspend constitutional rights) in the 70's for... dubious reasons to say the least? He was also the man who pa…
> Didn't the current premier's father do pretty much the same thing (suspend constitutional rights) in the 70's
Yes, it was called the October Crisis.[1]
I don't think we should be judging Justin Trudeau for his father's actions, but we should judge him because when he was asked to apologize (on behalf of the government) for the October Crisis, he refused.
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#16This is China tightening the noose on another country.
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#17> This discrimination is sticky, because SESTA caused the shuttering of forums where sex workers advocated for their rights. The more marginalised the speaker, the worst it is – which is why the most heavily impacted group is trans women of colour. This can't be understated. Who are these bills benefiting at the end of the day? Because the most marginalized people in my life — and those who are most often the targets…
"Who are these bills benefiting at the end of the day?"
Everyone’s future overlords.
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#18I expect Canada to become a police state (its already on the way) and the brain drain to accelerate. Bill C-10 and C-36 are horrific China emulating policies, loose definition of "hate speech", bypassing courts in favour of human rights tribunals with 100% conviction rates and no requirement of evidence, preventative enforcement by police. With C-36, even saying something truthful, if causes perceived harm is a punis…
Am Canadian. No offense to my southern neighbours, but if it ever comes time to move because of this, my direction won't be south. I'll probably play twister and hope the direction it lands is a good one. North American trends have not been great lately in general. Maybe I'll finally get that European passport I've been putting off.
Yup I'm applying for an EU country passport myself (via family ties). Canada is a terrible place if you want to start a business, now house prices are getting insane and the recent encroachment on freedoms as well as lack of pushback from the population is pretty much the last straw for me. You can make more money and pay less taxes while having more affordable housing and better healthcare and education in a number of countries.
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#19I expect Canada to become a police state (its already on the way) and the brain drain to accelerate. Bill C-10 and C-36 are horrific China emulating policies, loose definition of "hate speech", bypassing courts in favour of human rights tribunals with 100% conviction rates and no requirement of evidence, preventative enforcement by police. With C-36, even saying something truthful, if causes perceived harm is a punis…
Am Canadian. No offense to my southern neighbours, but if it ever comes time to move because of this, my direction won't be south. I'll probably play twister and hope the direction it lands is a good one. North American trends have not been great lately in general. Maybe I'll finally get that European passport I've been putting off.
And when it gets worse there too, what then?
Re: Canada's awful new proposals on “harmful” content
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Bill C-10 and C-36 are horrific China emulating policies, loose definition of "hate speech", bypassing courts in favour of human rights tribunals with 100% conviction rates and no requirement of evidence, preventative enforcement by police. Didn't the current premier's father do pretty much the same thing (suspend constitutional rights) in the 70's for... dubious reasons to say the least? He was also the man who pa…
> Didn't the current premier's father do pretty much the same thing (suspend constitutional rights) in the 70's Yes, it was called the October Crisis.[1] I don't think we should be judging Justin Trudeau for his father's actions, but we should judge him because when he was asked to apologize (on behalf of the government) for the October Crisis, he refused. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis
I think you both need to read a bit more, and also, listen to released (more than 50 years, such recordings must be released) recordings of private meetings at the time.
While no PM is perfect, when the Premier of Quebec phones the PM, and says (paraphrasing here) that "the separatists are everywhere, I don't know who to trust in the police, my own staff, they're all around me", while little girls are being killed by bombs, diplomats are being kidnapped and slaughtered, maybe declaring martial law isn't a completely bad response.
And when you see this at the start of the article:
The Premier of Quebec, Robert Bourassa, and the Mayor of Montreal, Jean Drapeau, supported Trudeau's invocation of the War Measures Act
Well, come on....
I personally find the current laws being passed to be highly dangerous, and very disturbing, but trying to compare it acts taken against domestic terrorists, and lunatics, is a little wonky.