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Make figures and presentations that are friendly to Colorblind people (2002)

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Re: Make figures and presentations that are friendly to Colorblind people (2002)

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Post by zimpenfish »

PhantomGremlin wrote: post #5
bjelkeman-again wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also test your new UI on older people. The older you get the harder it gets to distinguish between things with low contrast. Apple is really bad at this with the newer MacOS design, but obviously not the only once. It is like old people don’t use computers, and yes, it will happen to you to.

It's not just contrast. It's also font size. It's also the font itself. All websites should be readable in Firefox or Safari (or Chrome but I don't use that) with the minimum font size set larger than the default. I use 18 min and a lot of stuff breaks. I'm sure that other people would greatly benefit from even larger fonts. I don't care about "pretty". I'm resigned to not getting that. But a lot of text simply disap…

> Just how fucking hard would it be for Apple to let me choose my own font in Safari?

Technically not "let me choose my own font in Safari" but you can set a user style sheet which overrides fonts.

https://kgrz.io/safari-custom-user-agent-css-overrides-using...

Re: Make figures and presentations that are friendly to Colorblind people (2002)

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Post by junon »

Question for color blind users: Does testing with the various color emulation tools (such as those provided by inspector tools) properly emulate the real thing?

It always seems like people (including me) trust them at face value but I've never heard either way if they're actually helpful in creating color-blindness aware UIs.

Of course it would always be preferable to test with real users with real disabilities, but as an indie hacker there is rarely the opportunity.

Re: Make figures and presentations that are friendly to Colorblind people (2002)

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Post by kqr »

agent327 wrote: post #9

One tool I've found really helpful in this regard is Color Oracle ( https://colororacle.org/ ). It lets you see what your presentation (or software) looks like to someone who is colorblind. I've used that to tune our software to be useable by colorblind individuals.

Another neat trick is that Android (under developer settings) have alternative colour space emulation settings. Combined with a smartphone camera, you can view anything you find in the real world with a colour deficiency.

Just turn on the emulation and point the camera at anything. Look through the live screen.

Re: Make figures and presentations that are friendly to Colorblind people (2002)

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Post by kop316 »

junon wrote: post #12

Question for color blind users: Does testing with the various color emulation tools (such as those provided by inspector tools) properly emulate the real thing? It always seems like people (including me) trust them at face value but I've never heard either way if they're actually helpful in creating color-blindness aware UIs. Of course it would always be preferable to test with real users with real disabilities, but…

Colorblind person here:

Can you link them? I usually do firmware/ CLI stuff, so I've never tried them

Re: Make figures and presentations that are friendly to Colorblind people (2002)

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Post by kop316 »

As a person with more severe color blindness/deficiency than most, I guess I'll ask the question: is it actually a big deal?

I ask because for me, I really don't think about being colorblind, and colorblindness becomes an issue maybe a few times a year? But I'm also sensitive to the fact that I may be a bad example too (maybe I don't run into presentations where it is apparent? Or I just think the person made bad color choices and didn't realize it's my colorblindness?)

Re: Make figures and presentations that are friendly to Colorblind people (2002)

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Post by ljf »

kop316 wrote: post #16

As a person with more severe color blindness/deficiency than most, I guess I'll ask the question: is it actually a big deal? I ask because for me, I really don't think about being colorblind, and colorblindness becomes an issue maybe a few times a year? But I'm also sensitive to the fact that I may be a bad example too (maybe I don't run into presentations where it is apparent? Or I just think the person made bad col…

While I fail most colour blindness tests, I rarely notice it in my like. My wife notes that I mistake dark green and brown, and also some shades of grey as brown. I also find that pink and light grey 'stobe' for me.

But aside from failing colour blindness tests, I've never found it impacts my life. I can see traffic signals and can identify most colours, so my kids don't believe I really am colour blind.

Re: Make figures and presentations that are friendly to Colorblind people (2002)

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Post by ljf »

junon wrote: post #12

Question for color blind users: Does testing with the various color emulation tools (such as those provided by inspector tools) properly emulate the real thing? It always seems like people (including me) trust them at face value but I've never heard either way if they're actually helpful in creating color-blindness aware UIs. Of course it would always be preferable to test with real users with real disabilities, but…

Hard to say, I can the difference between the 'real' image and the 'colour blind' image, so the image doesn't 'work' for me. But I'm not certain how you see things, so I'm never really sure.

Re: Make figures and presentations that are friendly to Colorblind people (2002)

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Post by bradrn »

kop316 wrote: post #16

As a person with more severe color blindness/deficiency than most, I guess I'll ask the question: is it actually a big deal? I ask because for me, I really don't think about being colorblind, and colorblindness becomes an issue maybe a few times a year? But I'm also sensitive to the fact that I may be a bad example too (maybe I don't run into presentations where it is apparent? Or I just think the person made bad col…

I’m mildly colourblind: I find it difficult to distinguish red/green, but can still do it under the right conditions. On the whole, I agree that colourblindness doesn’t really affect my life, in that for the most part it doesn’t cause me any significant difficulties. But I have a feeling that this is only because I’ve gotten used to it, and that it does affect me — just in ways that I don’t notice. Most relevantly for this discussion, I recall seeing a 3D chart which I was having trouble reading, until I noticed a link to a colourblind version replacing red/green with red/blue (or something like that), at which point it became almost trivial to understand. I had gotten so used to seeing non-colourblind-adapted charts I didn’t even realise they were impeding my comprehension.

(The other major time I recall it affecting me was in first-year geology class — the instructor would say things like ‘this rock has huge red garnets which are easy to see’, and indeed everyone could see them except for me. Thankfully, colour mostly plays a very minor role in mineral identification.)

Re: Make figures and presentations that are friendly to Colorblind people (2002)

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Post by pessimizer »

cs2733 wrote: post #8

It's really great how the world changes to accomodate those of us who are less fortunate in some physical capacity - for example wheelchair access to buildings and transportation where everyone wins. In other cases the drive for equality means everyone has to be equaly harmed, like when institutions of higher education remove online courses from public access due to lack of captions [0] I hope we are mature enough to…

> wheelchair access to buildings and transportation where everyone wins.

I don't win from this any more than I win if state colleges make their courses accessible. I walk, see, and hear fine. If the standard for accommodation is that everybody wins, then we need to end it until something happens to me personally.

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