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Apple's child protection features spark concern within its own ranks: sources

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Post by syshum »

travoc wrote: post #7

Can someone explain how Apple being coaxed or coerced into searching all of our personal devices for illegal files by federal law enforcement is not an unconstitutional warrantless search?

Because for the last at least 80 years the constitution as not been seen as a document limiting government power, but instead as a document limiting the peoples rights

it has literally been inverted from it original purpose

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Post by derwiki »

travoc wrote: post #7

Can someone explain how Apple being coaxed or coerced into searching all of our personal devices for illegal files by federal law enforcement is not an unconstitutional warrantless search?

IANAL but I presume I consented to this in their EULA.

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Post by tartoran »

travoc wrote: post #7

Can someone explain how Apple being coaxed or coerced into searching all of our personal devices for illegal files by federal law enforcement is not an unconstitutional warrantless search?

They’re not coaxed nor coerced

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Post by mc32 »

travoc wrote: post #7

Can someone explain how Apple being coaxed or coerced into searching all of our personal devices for illegal files by federal law enforcement is not an unconstitutional warrantless search?

Probably the same way people say that when Twitter moderates speech on their platform it’s not censorship.

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Post by himaraya »

michaelbjames wrote: post #10
travoc wrote: post #7

Can someone explain how Apple being coaxed or coerced into searching all of our personal devices for illegal files by federal law enforcement is not an unconstitutional warrantless search?

As I understand, they're acting as an agent of the government, it's a private company. So, the 4th amendment protecting against unreasonable searches _by the government_ does not apply.

No, the Fourth Amendment applies to private actors acting on behalf of the government.

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Post by syshum »

michaelbjames wrote: post #10
travoc wrote: post #7

Can someone explain how Apple being coaxed or coerced into searching all of our personal devices for illegal files by federal law enforcement is not an unconstitutional warrantless search?

As I understand, they're acting as an agent of the government, it's a private company. So, the 4th amendment protecting against unreasonable searches _by the government_ does not apply.

Acting as a agent, used to anyway, mean the 4th amendment attached to the company

if they WERE NOT acting as an agent then the 4th would not apply. I think they way they get around that is not do not report to the FBI but instead to NCMEC a "non-profit"

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Post by hamburgerwah »

jonplackett wrote: post #5

In their attempt to make this extra private by scanning 'on device', I think they've managed to make it feel worse. If they scan my iCloud photos in iCloud, well lots of companies scan stuff when you upload it. It's on their servers, they're responsible for it. They don't want to be hosting CSAM. It feels much worse them turning your own, trusty iPhone against you. I know that isn't how you should look at it, but tha…

Also if you remotely think the scanning is going to stop at CSAM I have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you. Copyrighted material, national security, thought crime, are already inside this trojan horse waiting to jump out.

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Post by mc32 »

michaelbjames wrote: post #10
travoc wrote: post #7

Can someone explain how Apple being coaxed or coerced into searching all of our personal devices for illegal files by federal law enforcement is not an unconstitutional warrantless search?

As I understand, they're acting as an agent of the government, it's a private company. So, the 4th amendment protecting against unreasonable searches _by the government_ does not apply.

It’s that third party doctrine that is so convenient when acquiring information otherwise requiring a warrant to obtain.

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Post by Componica »

travoc wrote: post #7

Can someone explain how Apple being coaxed or coerced into searching all of our personal devices for illegal files by federal law enforcement is not an unconstitutional warrantless search?

It's most likely a demand by China so that they can create an infrastructure to locate political dissidents. Oh look, a Winnie the Pooh Xi meme ended up in your gallery/inbox. Why is there a knock at the door? I'm pretty sure thats the real reason.

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

travoc wrote: post #7

Can someone explain how Apple being coaxed or coerced into searching all of our personal devices for illegal files by federal law enforcement is not an unconstitutional warrantless search?

Technically it's not apple searching, it's your phone searching itself. Sadly, they'll probably put it somewhere on page 89 of their ToS.
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