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LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

#13

Interesting that this arrest follows just a week after a series of other arrests in USA/UK/NL regarding LulzSec and Anonymous: http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/07/20/arrests-lulzsec-a... Not a good time to be a hacktivist

Hacktivists? These guys are breaking into private companies and stealing property. They're criminals .

Activists tend to break laws, no?

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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I find it hard to believe that European kids care that much about the CIA or Arizona's immigration laws. Yet many of these alleged LulzSec arrests seem to be in Europe.

These are only excuses to show off their "skills". Everyone loathes script-kiddies, and they know the only way for them not to be considered script-kiddies (which they are in fact) is make everyone believe that their motivation is different than fame and feeling of power.

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

#16

Interesting that this arrest follows just a week after a series of other arrests in USA/UK/NL regarding LulzSec and Anonymous: http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/07/20/arrests-lulzsec-a... Not a good time to be a hacktivist

Hacktivists? These guys are breaking into private companies and stealing property. They're criminals .

You say that as if it's some sort of objective truth.

It's not. It's much more complicated than that.

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

#17

Interesting that this arrest follows just a week after a series of other arrests in USA/UK/NL regarding LulzSec and Anonymous: http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/07/20/arrests-lulzsec-a... Not a good time to be a hacktivist

Hacktivists? These guys are breaking into private companies and stealing property. They're criminals .

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Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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Interesting that this arrest follows just a week after a series of other arrests in USA/UK/NL regarding LulzSec and Anonymous: http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/07/20/arrests-lulzsec-a... Not a good time to be a hacktivist

Hacktivists? These guys are breaking into private companies and stealing property. They're criminals .

Hold on, hold on, let me try to clear some things up.

A criminal is a rigidly-defined adjective meaning an entity which breaks or broke laws.

An activist is a rigidly-defined term meaning an entity which acts to further some idea and bring it to public perception.

A hacktivist isn't well-defined, but we'll assume here that it's a form of activist.

Now based on this, the Anonymous and Lulzsec hackers were hacktivists, at least according to their own statements of their intent. They also were criminals, at least according to my reading of the laws of the US. Now, what you may be looking for is whether they were ethically good --- but don't conflate lawfulness with morality, that's worked out poorly in both directions.

But of course, you acknowledge that this is a horribly simplistic view of things. Even DnD got this, after all (clearly Anon is Chaotic, and whether it's Neutral or Good depends on whom you talk to).

So perhaps you might say "I don't believe Anon's actions were for the good", or even "weren't well-intentioned", but please recognize that passing judgement beyond noting the factual statement that they are criminals, is a personal judgement. Not that personal opinions shouldn't be argued, defended, and spread --- just that they should not be conflated with fact.

Re: LulzSec's 'Topiary' arrested

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post #5

I find it hard to believe that European kids care that much about the CIA or Arizona's immigration laws. Yet many of these alleged LulzSec arrests seem to be in Europe.

I'm personally a bit curious as to why it's only been European (only UK perhaps?) people.

I'd think the FBI would in on it too.

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