PostgreSQL should be everyone’s first choice for a data store. It can do so much, including serving as your full text search system.
Official Elasticsearch Python library no longer works with open-source forks
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#12This should be forked to be opensource compatible. Opensource doesn't mean that you get to control everything. If what you're offering doesn't stand on its own merits then what's it worth? I get that we wish Amazon couldn't do what they do but that's what the license permits.
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#13Can't Amazon just serve these bogus headers and keep opensearch compatible? It's not like headers are copyrighted...
Amazon could try that, but it wouldn't stop there. they'd end up in a constant arms race.
also, that "you know, for search" tagline is featured on t-shirts sold by Elastic [0]. seems entirely plausible to me that Amazon & Elastic lawyers could get into a pissing contest about potential trademark or copyright protection of that term and whether sending it as an HTTP header constitutes infringement.
0: https://elastic.shop/products/you-know-for-search-t-shirt-st...
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's hard to blame them when Amazon is eating their lunch. Well, it's more like they made a sandwich, Amazon stole it, and now Amazon is selling it to other people. Meanwhile Elastic.co is starving. It's not a fair game anymore. I hope the DOJ breaks them up into three or more companies.
This is a false narrative. Both Elastic and Amazon are making a killing. > Elastic (NYSE: ESTC) ("Elastic"), the company behind Elasticsearch and the Elastic Stack, announced strong results for its fourth quarter and full fiscal year (ended April 30, 2021). Total revenue was $177.6 million, an increase of 44% year-over-year, or 39% on a constant currency basis.
Revenue only tells us how much business they conducted, not how much of a "killing" they made. Profits is what would tell you that, which I guarentee are going to be far less than their $177.6 million in revenue.
Re: Official Elasticsearch Python library no longer works with open-source forks
#15I use to be a huge proponent of Elastic.co for search. I paid for their Elastic Cloud Enterprise product to offer an internally hosted Elastic as a Service. We ran a proof of concept with the the open source Elastic Stack before requesting the funding to get commercial support and the extra management features. I'm not sure I can recommend them anymore. The company doesn't seem to understand their customer's journey…
It is easy to judge another’s actions from afar when it’s their meal and roof they’re working for. It’s okay for Amazon (a trillion dollar company) to make money off of their work but not themselves? Imho, the problem isn’t “well it’s not open source anymore then.” The problem is people who give more weight to a religion/philosophy than sustainability. Who cares if it’s open source if the people developing it can’t s…
If they don't like it, they shouldn't have licensed their software under a free software license. This was an entirely foreseeable consequence. They only have themselves to blame. The AGPL generally fixes this perceived problem, but means that several large players (like Google) will never touch your code with a ten foot pole, let alone improve it. So, there's some difficult decision-making at the inception stage of a project - what do you value more?
Sony forked FreeBSD and used it as a substantial component of their operating system for their PlayStation 5, a product which they will make money off (in the long run, at least). No changes are available to anyone. No one at FreeBSD is jumping up and down about it. Maybe because there's more to a software project than maximising profit.
Re: Official Elasticsearch Python library no longer works with open-source forks
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is easy to judge another’s actions from afar when it’s their meal and roof they’re working for. It’s okay for Amazon (a trillion dollar company) to make money off of their work but not themselves? Imho, the problem isn’t “well it’s not open source anymore then.” The problem is people who give more weight to a religion/philosophy than sustainability. Who cares if it’s open source if the people developing it can’t s…
If they don't like it, they shouldn't have licensed their software under a free software license. This was an entirely foreseeable consequence. They only have themselves to blame. The AGPL generally fixes this perceived problem, but means that several large players (like Google) will never touch your code with a ten foot pole, let alone improve it. So, there's some difficult decision-making at the inception stage of…
Heaven forbid a FAANG doesn’t touch your code. Look at all the exposure you’ll miss out on. They might actually have to spend resources to write and maintain the code themselves, instead of open source maintainers begging for scraps [1]. The horror.
The homebrew maintainer couldn’t even get hired at Google [2] if I recall, even though they’re big fans of using the tooling internally!
[1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/tech-... (OpenSSL Software Foundation President Steve Marquess wrote in a blog post last week that OpenSSL typically receives about $2,000 in donations a year and has just one employee who works full time on the open source code.)
[2] https://twitter.com/mxcl/status/608682016205344768 (Google: 90% of our engineers use the software you wrote (Homebrew), but you can’t invert a binary tree on a whiteboard so fuck off.)
Re: Official Elasticsearch Python library no longer works with open-source forks
#17PostgreSQL should be everyone’s first choice for a data store. It can do so much, including serving as your full text search system.
I love postgres and the full-text search feature works great in some use cases, but it is not really comparable to elastic search in many scenarios (huge document stores, complex text processing or querying, etc).
Re: Official Elasticsearch Python library no longer works with open-source forks
#18This should be forked to be opensource compatible. Opensource doesn't mean that you get to control everything. If what you're offering doesn't stand on its own merits then what's it worth? I get that we wish Amazon couldn't do what they do but that's what the license permits.
The maintainers of the project chose to implement this change. You may not like it, and you are free to make a fork compatible with the original apache 2.0 license, but it is well within Elastic's right to add this. This is the danger with corporate open source in general.
Facebook made a similar unilateral decision in relicensing React from Apache 2 to "BSD + Patents" many years ago. They faced quite a bit of pressure, resulting in another relicensing to MIT.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a false narrative. Both Elastic and Amazon are making a killing. > Elastic (NYSE: ESTC) ("Elastic"), the company behind Elasticsearch and the Elastic Stack, announced strong results for its fourth quarter and full fiscal year (ended April 30, 2021). Total revenue was $177.6 million, an increase of 44% year-over-year, or 39% on a constant currency basis.
Revenue only tells us how much business they conducted, not how much of a "killing" they made. Profits is what would tell you that, which I guarentee are going to be far less than their $177.6 million in revenue.
You don't have to guess: they're a public company.
Re: Official Elasticsearch Python library no longer works with open-source forks
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's hard to blame them when Amazon is eating their lunch. Well, it's more like they made a sandwich, Amazon stole it, and now Amazon is selling it to other people. Meanwhile Elastic.co is starving. It's not a fair game anymore. I hope the DOJ breaks them up into three or more companies.
This is a false narrative. Both Elastic and Amazon are making a killing. > Elastic (NYSE: ESTC) ("Elastic"), the company behind Elasticsearch and the Elastic Stack, announced strong results for its fourth quarter and full fiscal year (ended April 30, 2021). Total revenue was $177.6 million, an increase of 44% year-over-year, or 39% on a constant currency basis.
Is that true? Let's examine this claim a bit more closely. Net profit margin for the quarter -24.38%, net income for the quarter -43.3M, sales growth slowing by double-digit percent every year since 2018.
It's possible to take in a ton of money and still lose money.