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Major U.K. science funder to require grantees to make papers immediately free

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Re: Major U.K. science funder to require grantees to make papers immediately free

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It’s truly horrific that as an interested layman I am completely UNABLE to read most scientific papers. And to think about what they did to Aaron Schwartz…

> It’s truly horrific that as an interested layman I am completely UNABLE to read most scientific papers. You can usually find a pre-print by Googling the title. Or ask the author for a copy. (You shouldn't have to do this, but you can until all papers are open access anyway.)

Why is it legal for the author to send you a copy (asking as an author)

Re: Major U.K. science funder to require grantees to make papers immediately free

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"Pay journals for “gold” open access, which makes a paper free to read on the publisher’s website, or choose the “green” route, which allows them to deposit a near-final version of the paper on a public repository, after a waiting period of up to 1 year."

yeah, that kind of free huh. Sick.

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s truly horrific that as an interested layman I am completely UNABLE to read most scientific papers. You can usually find a pre-print by Googling the title. Or ask the author for a copy. (You shouldn't have to do this, but you can until all papers are open access anyway.)

Why is it legal for the author to send you a copy (asking as an author)

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Slowly and almost imperceptibly if you look at it day-to-day, public research repositories like arxiv and biorxiv, along with public code repositories like github and gitlab, are becoming or maybe already are the world's most important academic "journals." All research and code posted on them gets a quick once-over; good work gets the attention it deserves; bad work is quickly ignored. Reviews take place over the Int…

If you want to have to read 5,000 poorly written error riddled works to find a single gem I guess it's okay. Unfortunately, I'm not an immortal

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s truly horrific that as an interested layman I am completely UNABLE to read most scientific papers. You can usually find a pre-print by Googling the title. Or ask the author for a copy. (You shouldn't have to do this, but you can until all papers are open access anyway.)

Why is it legal for the author to send you a copy (asking as an author)

They usually send you a 'pre-print' which (in their opinion - I'm not a lawyer) is not subject to the same copyright as the final reversion which was sent to review.

Re: Major U.K. science funder to require grantees to make papers immediately free

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post #9

Slowly and almost imperceptibly if you look at it day-to-day, public research repositories like arxiv and biorxiv, along with public code repositories like github and gitlab, are becoming or maybe already are the world's most important academic "journals." All research and code posted on them gets a quick once-over; good work gets the attention it deserves; bad work is quickly ignored. Reviews take place over the Int…

If you want to have to read 5,000 poorly written error riddled works to find a single gem I guess it's okay. Unfortunately, I'm not an immortal

It's really much better than that. At least for the subfields I've followed.

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A good development - depositing papers in OA journals is extremely expensive and internationally, most funding bodies requiring OA don't give you money to publish OA. For example, Nature Communications charges around $5,000 for a single paper; I can send a student to an overseas conference for that kind of money! Public repositories like arxiv or biorxiv are free.

I could not agree more: this is a good thing. Studies funded by public money should be freely available by default. This is a great decision and I hope major funding agencies in the USA follow this example. As a practicing scientist, I ostensibly have access to a rich variety of journals from my employer. However, I've found journal access to be difficult during WFH/COVID. My default is to look for an open access pap…

The supposed advantage of commercial archiving is duration, where as self-hosted tends to depend on the author; But we could create solutions where, if works are being used by clients (hospitals, research), the client would be in charge of automatically downloading all the dependencies. Like a Maven repository, but with P2P resharing.

In similar vein, software used by public institutions should be required to be made open-source. Open source is already the VIIth marvel of humanity, and needs consolidation.

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s truly horrific that as an interested layman I am completely UNABLE to read most scientific papers. And to think about what they did to Aaron Schwartz…

Well you are, if you're willing to pay. Or just use Sci-Hub as it seems even many professional researchers do.

Each article priced as much as a textbook...

Re: Major U.K. science funder to require grantees to make papers immediately free

#20
post #9

Slowly and almost imperceptibly if you look at it day-to-day, public research repositories like arxiv and biorxiv, along with public code repositories like github and gitlab, are becoming or maybe already are the world's most important academic "journals." All research and code posted on them gets a quick once-over; good work gets the attention it deserves; bad work is quickly ignored. Reviews take place over the Int…

If you want to have to read 5,000 poorly written error riddled works to find a single gem I guess it's okay. Unfortunately, I'm not an immortal

Then we will also have to find a decentralized rating/sorting system that works.

Finally. ( = Let us devise it for the publications, then let us export it to the many, uttermostly crucial, contexts that can use it).

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