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Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by gary_0 »

avmich wrote: post #4

Can Firefox be forked? It's buildable on various OSes, is it legally possible to pick up the codebase and keep working on it in the spirit of original Mozilla?

Depending on your definition of "fork", Firefox has been forked in cases like the Tor Browser or IceWeasel. But starting a completely separate organization that could keep its isolated Firefox fork competitive with Chromium would require a massive amount of resources. Mozilla employs hundreds of full-time engineers (although that number is declining).

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by mst »

Be warned that techrights is ... not always what one might call entirely reliable. They published a bunch of Andrew Lee apologia when the freenode debacle was in full swing.

(and the whole "concerns are growing" thing is IMO a rhetorical dark pattern, even if I -do- worry for the future of my preferred browser)

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by coldacid »

avmich wrote: post #4

Can Firefox be forked? It's buildable on various OSes, is it legally possible to pick up the codebase and keep working on it in the spirit of original Mozilla?

I'm running Waterfox, and I've heard good things about Basilisk for people who want/need to keep the old XUL ways alive.

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by troyvit »

I gotta say I read the article and it didn't make much sense. It seemed to make a lot of loosely connected accusations without any external evidence to back them up. I lasted three minutes into the video and heard just more of the same.

I bet Mozilla does have a ton of problems. They're a non-profit that has been around forever and has more reputation and influence than its undersized user-base would imply. That's going to make it a weird organization. But before I would go so far as to believe that "Firefox cannot be trusted" I'd need to see some harder evidence.

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by coldacid »

nyx-aiur wrote: post #3

In the near future Firefox is just another Brave, Opera whatsoever. I am just curious how long some poor souls work their heart out in the engine room until the management inevitably forces the switch to chromium.

I'm ready to just give up entirely on HTML/CSS/JS on HTTP when that happens. Fuck monocultures.

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by troyvit »

luckylion wrote: post #5
nyx-aiur wrote: post #3

In the near future Firefox is just another Brave, Opera whatsoever. I am just curious how long some poor souls work their heart out in the engine room until the management inevitably forces the switch to chromium.

According to statcounter.com, Firefox is already on the level of Edge and Samsung Internet, with 3.45% market share globally. US: even slightly lower at 3.44%, down from 4.3% a year ago. Europe is still higher, Germany at 12%, France at 7%, but also falling rapidly. The future is now.

Yeah and the future is a monolithic browser stack controlled by one one of the largest corporations in the world.

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by dralley »

mst wrote: post #12

Be warned that techrights is ... not always what one might call entirely reliable. They published a bunch of Andrew Lee apologia when the freenode debacle was in full swing. (and the whole "concerns are growing" thing is IMO a rhetorical dark pattern, even if I -do- worry for the future of my preferred browser)

I'll take that one step further and say that they post total nonsense and speculation on a regular basis.

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by JPLeRouzic »

wmf wrote: post #8
avmich wrote: post #4

Can Firefox be forked? It's buildable on various OSes, is it legally possible to pick up the codebase and keep working on it in the spirit of original Mozilla?

There are various Firefox forks already (the ones I'm aware of are for old OSes) but there aren't enough people to sustain them.

When Firefox/phoenix was created, it was essentially by two people, Dave Hyatt and Blake Ross, isn't?

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by cpeterso »

preinheimer wrote: post #2

We maintain an add-on for our customers. For a long time Firefox was where we did our development, and released first. Their process was quick & easy, and a lot less confusing to navigate than Chrome/Edge. Something on their end changed for which add-ons would require manual review. So a minor update (bug fixes, and a UI addition) has been in queue for review since June 22nd. We went from waiting hours to 6+ weeks at…

I work on Mozilla's Firefox team. I asked the Add-ons team's community manager about your stalled review and they said that is very unusual. If you email me the details about your add-on (to my email address in my HN profile), I can pass them on.

The Add-ons community manager said they think you might have posted on the Add-ons forums today about your stalled review. They will follow up in the forums.

Re: Firefox Cannot Be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management

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Post by Shadonototro »

i used to use Firefox and i was recommending it to everyone

then they became lazy, refused to fix performance issues, and the salary of their CEO started to skyrocket

then chrome came, and i uninstalled firefox and stopped recomanding it

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firefox is open source gone wrong, that's what happen when you factor in capitalism and try to profit from the free labor of benevolent

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