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Re: Launching Rust Cloud Native

#11

Post by staticassertion »

querez wrote: post #6

This is a very confusing announcement of..... what exactly? A github repo hosting the blog that the announcement was posted on! There isn't anything of substance here, as far as I can tell. While the whole thing "looks" official and has a very official name, there is nothing of substance there. Some of the text is incoherent, telling us that the author learned some Rust as a break from university (good for him!). Som…

I don't understand, this seems fairly straightforward. It's an announcement for a group that is forming and why that group is forming.

It's even mentioned that the launch is largely symbolic, as the work is already open source, but that this is a sort of "call to arms".

Seems pretty easy to understand.

Re: Launching Rust Cloud Native

#12

Post by fnord77 »

ctvo wrote: post #2

I'm not too bright, so apologies in advance. What is this? And why do people need to care? You made a new Github organization to ... do what? Are you launching a new CloudNative project in Rust? It's an umbrella group with a cute logo and it doesn't do or own anything? But there's a launch? My head is exploding.

looks like some people just trying to capitalize on rust.

there's nothing here.

Re: Launching Rust Cloud Native

#13

Post by shred45 »

tux3 wrote: post #8
querez wrote: post #6

This is a very confusing announcement of..... what exactly? A github repo hosting the blog that the announcement was posted on! There isn't anything of substance here, as far as I can tell. While the whole thing "looks" official and has a very official name, there is nothing of substance there. Some of the text is incoherent, telling us that the author learned some Rust as a break from university (good for him!). Som…

It seems they're just planting a flagpole, since no one else had done it yet, and calling for people who are interested to regroup under that label. Why not. Sometimes it really just takes a name and a place for people who have common goals to work together.

What confuses me is that I know for a fact that several of those projects have or will be joining the CNCF, so I’m not sure they are in need of a governing body.

Re: Launching Rust Cloud Native

#14

Post by StevePerkins »

Haha... if this were about literally ANYTHING other than Rust, then this blogspam wouldn't be on the front page of Hacker News at all.

I've tinkered with the language. It has some interesting ideas. More power to its fans. But sheesh, you folks get into "vegan" or "CrossFit" territory sometimes.

Re: Launching Rust Cloud Native

#15

Post by echelon »

StevePerkins wrote: post #14

Haha... if this were about literally ANYTHING other than Rust, then this blogspam wouldn't be on the front page of Hacker News at all. I've tinkered with the language. It has some interesting ideas. More power to its fans. But sheesh, you folks get into "vegan" or "CrossFit" territory sometimes.

> you folks are getting into "vegan" or "CrossFit" territory with this thing.

It's more like CRISPR for our industry. Or the invention of the seat belt. Safe and modern, when you typically had to choose just one. You wouldn't go calling those seat belt people crazy, would you?

It also comes at a time where the scripting, dynamic types, and bad package managers are coming under increased scrutiny. The culmination of so many headwinds meets a language that addresses all of the problems.

Rust should eat Python, Ruby, and Javascript too. It's not just coming for C++'s lunch.

Re: Launching Rust Cloud Native

#16

Post by Nullabillity »

shred45 wrote: post #13
tux3 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems they're just planting a flagpole, since no one else had done it yet, and calling for people who are interested to regroup under that label. Why not. Sometimes it really just takes a name and a place for people who have common goals to work together.

What confuses me is that I know for a fact that several of those projects have or will be joining the CNCF, so I’m not sure they are in need of a governing body.

As a co-maintainer of kube-rs, this is the first I've heard of this working group. I don't have anything against them or the idea per se, but I'd have appreciated a heads up before being listed in a way that could be read as us endorsing them.

Re: Launching Rust Cloud Native

#17

Post by querez »

staticassertion wrote: post #11
querez wrote: post #6

This is a very confusing announcement of..... what exactly? A github repo hosting the blog that the announcement was posted on! There isn't anything of substance here, as far as I can tell. While the whole thing "looks" official and has a very official name, there is nothing of substance there. Some of the text is incoherent, telling us that the author learned some Rust as a break from university (good for him!). Som…

I don't understand, this seems fairly straightforward. It's an announcement for a group that is forming and why that group is forming. It's even mentioned that the launch is largely symbolic, as the work is already open source, but that this is a sort of "call to arms". Seems pretty easy to understand.

I disagree. A typical announcement says WHO does WHAT and HOW, maybe even WHY in succinct, clear language. However, this post grinds my gears in all the wrong ways. The proper way to do what that guy set out to do would've been to write an RFC to some mailing list (or some Rust forum/social channel) and collectively build up a group. But announcing a group before the group's actually been formed is putting the cart before the horse. Don't get me wrong, I think it's laudable that someone started this effort, but it seems to me that it's being done/communicated in a fairly naive/inexperienced fashion. I'm sure they'll learn as they go along, and I probably am being way to harsh on people who actually are trying to do something good for the community.

Re: Launching Rust Cloud Native

#18

Post by darksaints »

StevePerkins wrote: post #14

Haha... if this were about literally ANYTHING other than Rust, then this blogspam wouldn't be on the front page of Hacker News at all. I've tinkered with the language. It has some interesting ideas. More power to its fans. But sheesh, you folks get into "vegan" or "CrossFit" territory sometimes.

I totally understand the annoyance with cult-like behavior in the tech industry...and even as a fan of Rust, I can't help but see how obnoxious the fandom can be.

But I would much rather that cults form around ideas like memory safety in low-level languages than things like Elon Musk or Apple...which is literally everywhere on HN. Almost any postitive headline about either makes the front page in like 10 seconds, and almost any negative headline gets flagged and dumped off the front page (and the same goes for comments in their respective threads). The teeny bopper-like obsession with Rust is relatively benign in comparison.

Re: Launching Rust Cloud Native

#19

Post by pjmlp »

darksaints wrote: post #18
StevePerkins wrote: post #14

Haha... if this were about literally ANYTHING other than Rust, then this blogspam wouldn't be on the front page of Hacker News at all. I've tinkered with the language. It has some interesting ideas. More power to its fans. But sheesh, you folks get into "vegan" or "CrossFit" territory sometimes.

I totally understand the annoyance with cult-like behavior in the tech industry...and even as a fan of Rust, I can't help but see how obnoxious the fandom can be. But I would much rather that cults form around ideas like memory safety in low-level languages than things like Elon Musk or Apple...which is literally everywhere on HN. Almost any postitive headline about either makes the front page in like 10 seconds, and…

Many keep trying since 1950's, unfortunely it took a free beer OS to spoil it, and now it is a quixotic battle of multiple generations to come, to bring it back into course.

Re: Launching Rust Cloud Native

#20

Post by ampdepolymerase »

querez wrote: post #17
staticassertion wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand, this seems fairly straightforward. It's an announcement for a group that is forming and why that group is forming. It's even mentioned that the launch is largely symbolic, as the work is already open source, but that this is a sort of "call to arms". Seems pretty easy to understand.

I disagree. A typical announcement says WHO does WHAT and HOW, maybe even WHY in succinct, clear language. However, this post grinds my gears in all the wrong ways. The proper way to do what that guy set out to do would've been to write an RFC to some mailing list (or some Rust forum/social channel) and collectively build up a group. But announcing a group before the group's actually been formed is putting the cart b…

Seems like you are old fashioned and outdated.
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