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Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

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Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

#11

I read the entire blog post and I don't understand the fanfare, it's a custom SoC, presumably to rival Apple's M1. I don't see anything innovative about this, besides heralding "begun, the neural net wars have". What is the benefit of having all of the ML bits on device? Can models leverage them post training?

Latency can be better if they get it right.

Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

#12

I read the entire blog post and I don't understand the fanfare, it's a custom SoC, presumably to rival Apple's M1. I don't see anything innovative about this, besides heralding "begun, the neural net wars have". What is the benefit of having all of the ML bits on device? Can models leverage them post training?

> What is the benefit of having all of the ML bits on device? Can models leverage them post training?

Yes, the whole point is to be able do to things like improve personalized speech recognition on-device, image recognition on-device, translation on-device, etc.

Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

#13

I read the entire blog post and I don't understand the fanfare, it's a custom SoC, presumably to rival Apple's M1. I don't see anything innovative about this, besides heralding "begun, the neural net wars have". What is the benefit of having all of the ML bits on device? Can models leverage them post training?

Reduced latency. Which has an apparent performance boost versus sending data to Google for processing and waiting for a response.

Potentially improved privacy (this is how Apple tries to sell it). Less data has to leave the phone to gain the utility of the ML models.

Improved device performance. Reduced network use and better specialized chips leading to better performance. Either in terms of better battery life or better time to get the result.

Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

#14

I read the entire blog post and I don't understand the fanfare, it's a custom SoC, presumably to rival Apple's M1. I don't see anything innovative about this, besides heralding "begun, the neural net wars have". What is the benefit of having all of the ML bits on device? Can models leverage them post training?

Are you asking what is the advantage of having ML optimized hardware on device? Yes, running inferences is expensive too, especially for video, photo, and speech processing. I would expect this phone to have user noticeable improvements in those three areas.

Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

#15
I wonder about the baseband (radio - wifi & cell) component. Are they using Qualcomm / Intel standalone chips? Or did they buy an IP core to integrate onto the SoC? I somehow doubt that they did it in-house, as it's a massive effort to match current state of the art.

Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

#16
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> Pixel 6 will have the most layers of hardware security in any phone**. > **Based on a count of independent hardware security subsystems and components. That does not seem like a meaningful measure for security.

....and these security levels are irrelevant when the OS manufacture is the worry for data harvesting.....

Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

#17

I wonder about the baseband (radio - wifi & cell) component. Are they using Qualcomm / Intel standalone chips? Or did they buy an IP core to integrate onto the SoC? I somehow doubt that they did it in-house, as it's a massive effort to match current state of the art.

I think it's a collaboration with Samsung so would imagine they're using the Exynos stuff

Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

#18

I read the entire blog post and I don't understand the fanfare, it's a custom SoC, presumably to rival Apple's M1. I don't see anything innovative about this, besides heralding "begun, the neural net wars have". What is the benefit of having all of the ML bits on device? Can models leverage them post training?

Hopefully this translates into the phones being supported for longer since they are an inhouse design.

Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

#19
Unrelated to this article specifically, but the biggest thing I'm looking forward to with the Pixel 6 is the improved updates timeline, as Google has said they will provide updates for at least 5 years, which puts them more in-line with Apple.

Previous Pixels worked great but then inexplicably lost OS updates after only a few years.

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