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Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by bluefirebrand »

proc0 wrote: post #4

Just because men do a bad thing, doesn't mean every single man is responsible for that. Not to mention all men have mothers, and they play a huge part in how their children grow up to treat others. To solve a problem, the root cause must be found, and the root cause of harassment is NOT other men. Sure men could help, but articles like this seem to demand it, like they're yelling at men, as a group, for the actions o…

The assumption is that somehow every man is complicit. Like we all know about every bad thing that happens to women in our lives and workplace. Not only that, it assumes we have the power to fix things or make changes and we just choose not to.

I don't know about other men but it absolutely alienates me from "the cause". I'm not having anything to do with people who start out by assuming I'm part of their problem.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by tootahe45 »

Does anybody find it strange how there's never a single post by man in female dominated industry? Yet i see headlines about 'women in tech', almost every day.

And please can we call it IT, not 'tech'. As a dev, 'tech' always sounded as though you were doing things much harder than IT.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by mc32 »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #6

Here's the problem. Not one of these tips is "work hard and try be a the best at what you do." Instead, she leads with tips on how to be a proactive bridge-burner. Death threats, discrimination, etc. are obviously insane, but a lot of this frustration is self-induced. > Call out bad behavior you see or hear about, even when it’s uncomfortable. > Help to report offenders. > Give credit to and call out great work you s…

The issue here is it's asking women to be activists. Few companies want activists. Most companies want to achieve fairness and equal opportunity, but they also do not like agitators (because one can never have control over agitators, you never can know their next target, so to be safe, most companies tend to not want them around).

It's the same conundrum with double agents. You agree with them helping your intelligence org, but you can never fully trust them. You cannot control their motivations (unless you hold their family hostage like they did in the USSR, etc.)

From that standpoint, this is not good advice. Leadership is key. You have to schmooze leadership and convince them it's the right thing, but not via these activist methods.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by neom »

proc0 wrote: post #4

Just because men do a bad thing, doesn't mean every single man is responsible for that. Not to mention all men have mothers, and they play a huge part in how their children grow up to treat others. To solve a problem, the root cause must be found, and the root cause of harassment is NOT other men. Sure men could help, but articles like this seem to demand it, like they're yelling at men, as a group, for the actions o…

Good article:

Not all men - how discussing womens issues gets derailed: https://slate.com/technology/2014/05/not-all-men-how-discuss...

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by ekager »

tootahe45 wrote: post #13

Does anybody find it strange how there's never a single post by man in female dominated industry ? Yet i see headlines about 'women in tech', almost every day. And please can we call it IT, not 'tech'. As a dev, 'tech' always sounded as though you were doing things much harder than IT.

no

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by mthoms »

proc0 wrote: post #4

Just because men do a bad thing, doesn't mean every single man is responsible for that. Not to mention all men have mothers, and they play a huge part in how their children grow up to treat others. To solve a problem, the root cause must be found, and the root cause of harassment is NOT other men. Sure men could help, but articles like this seem to demand it, like they're yelling at men, as a group, for the actions o…

>Just because men do a bad thing, doesn't mean every single man is responsible for that.

Where in the heck did you get that from? The author made no such claim. Anywhere.

I also didn't feel like the author was "yelling at men". I felt she was trying to get us to understand her frustration.

Confident, respectful men don't get offended by posts like this. She's not talking about me (generally speaking that is - I know I'll never be perfect). But, I also know that I can help. I can be an ally. I don't mind being reminded of that.

Sheesh, the early comments here tell me that the author could actually be understating the problem.

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by ekager »

mthoms wrote: post #17
proc0 wrote: post #4

Just because men do a bad thing, doesn't mean every single man is responsible for that. Not to mention all men have mothers, and they play a huge part in how their children grow up to treat others. To solve a problem, the root cause must be found, and the root cause of harassment is NOT other men. Sure men could help, but articles like this seem to demand it, like they're yelling at men, as a group, for the actions o…

>Just because men do a bad thing, doesn't mean every single man is responsible for that. Where in the heck did you get that from? The author made no such claim. Anywhere. I also didn't feel like the author was "yelling at men". I felt she was trying to get us to understand her frustration. Confident, respectful men don't get offended by posts like this. She's not talking about me (generally speaking that is - I know…

appreciate you here mthoms

Re: Why women in tech are so angry all the time

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Post by ink_13 »

tootahe45 wrote: post #13

Does anybody find it strange how there's never a single post by man in female dominated industry ? Yet i see headlines about 'women in tech', almost every day. And please can we call it IT, not 'tech'. As a dev, 'tech' always sounded as though you were doing things much harder than IT.

> Does anybody find it strange how there's never a single post by man in female dominated industry?

I don't know what point you're trying to communicate here. Which female dominated industries do you regularly see discussed on Hacker News?

> And please call it IT, not 'tech'

Why should anyone do this? I have worked in tech for 20 years and refer to it as such.

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