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Duolingo reaches $6.5B valuation on day of IPO

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Re: Duolingo reaches $6.5B valuation on day of IPO

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Honestly from using duolingo pretty heavily for a couple of years, attending language classes and doing my own individual study I've found duolingo pretty useless. It's "fun" and gives one the sense of progress without really accomplishing much.

I moved on to Babbel.

yeah babbel seems better although iirc the interface was a bit clunky.

I also found busuu and linq to be okay as well.

Re: Duolingo reaches $6.5B valuation on day of IPO

#12

Quick look at financials, they lost $25M in trailing 12 months, lost $14M in the previous year, lost $10M in the year before. How is Duolingo supposed to become profitable? How is a $6.5B valuation justified?

Discounted cashflows to infinity and beyond plus a massive user base. Add zirp to the mix and I'm surprised they're not worth $65B.

I'm sure they'll be profitable in a decade...

Also don't forget this is an IPO: ideally you want to overstate your value.

Re: Duolingo reaches $6.5B valuation on day of IPO

#13

Quick look at financials, they lost $25M in trailing 12 months, lost $14M in the previous year, lost $10M in the year before. How is Duolingo supposed to become profitable? How is a $6.5B valuation justified?

'Following the IPO, the company will focus on improving its flagship app and getting more active users to switch to paying subscribers, von Ahn said.'

I switched to being a paying subscriber once and the experience was more or less the same as being a free user with the aid of an ad-blocker. Enough said.

Re: Duolingo reaches $6.5B valuation on day of IPO

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Honestly from using duolingo pretty heavily for a couple of years, attending language classes and doing my own individual study I've found duolingo pretty useless. It's "fun" and gives one the sense of progress without really accomplishing much.

I'm trying a language learning startup and surveyed a lot of people. The response is universal that everyone's tried Duolingo, and it didn't work for them in actually learning, despite monster streaks. I think it's masterful as a dopamine machine and employing habit building tactics. Perhaps it's a good icebreaker for people in language learning, as long as people are resourceful enough to look beyond Duolingo.

That's cool I'd love to hear more about it, I've actually been thinking about ways that a language app could work better. Seems like all the current research is that "immersion" in the target language is critical, an app that just played me conversations, had me read text, etc and 'creatively' formulate responses, not just simply fill in the missing word, obviously in increasing difficulty would be ideal.

Re: Duolingo reaches $6.5B valuation on day of IPO

#17

Quick look at financials, they lost $25M in trailing 12 months, lost $14M in the previous year, lost $10M in the year before. How is Duolingo supposed to become profitable? How is a $6.5B valuation justified?

I think we're closing in on a point where you can't reach a multi-billion dollar valuation if your company is profitable.

Just keep burning through investor cash until you're acquired by a bigger corporation. Then a year later they announce that they're killing your company because, surprise, it couldn't turn a profit.

Somewhere a rich stock owner makes a huge profit. Everyone's happy.

Re: Duolingo reaches $6.5B valuation on day of IPO

#18

Quick look at financials, they lost $25M in trailing 12 months, lost $14M in the previous year, lost $10M in the year before. How is Duolingo supposed to become profitable? How is a $6.5B valuation justified?

Those are pretty small numbers in an absolute sense. Growth is all I would worry about.

Re: Duolingo reaches $6.5B valuation on day of IPO

#19

Honestly from using duolingo pretty heavily for a couple of years, attending language classes and doing my own individual study I've found duolingo pretty useless. It's "fun" and gives one the sense of progress without really accomplishing much.

I'm learning tons of grammar and vocabulary through Duolingo. Are you not learning these things, or do you find them useless?

BTW the quality of the language programs differs vastly. Spanish, which I'm studying, is very fleshed out. Tried Arabic and it was anemic and even broken in parts.

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