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Facebook and Google Are Not Public Utilities

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Re: Facebook and Google Are Not Public Utilities

#11

It's weird that there's so much talk about Google and Facebook being public utilities and no talk about ISPs, which obviously are public utilities and treat their customers like crap. I think Big Tech needs to shake up their lobbying division.

The media doesn't feel threatened by ISPs, so we don't get negative articles about ISPs. But big tech _is_ a huge threat to traditional media.

Re: Facebook and Google Are Not Public Utilities

#12
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there would be if ISP's were actively banning customers because of the content of the data they transferred over the network, as is the case with Google / FB.

[ bittorrent enters the chat ]

You can torrent things just fine if you're not torrenting illegal/pirated stuff.

Re: Facebook and Google Are Not Public Utilities

#13
post #5

It's weird that there's so much talk about Google and Facebook being public utilities and no talk about ISPs, which obviously are public utilities and treat their customers like crap. I think Big Tech needs to shake up their lobbying division.

There is nothing that says public utilities can't treat their customers like crap...

My ISP may treat me like crap but my ISP doesn't stop me from using the internet how I wish (aside from criminal activity, of course).

Re: Facebook and Google Are Not Public Utilities

#14

It's weird that there's so much talk about Google and Facebook being public utilities and no talk about ISPs, which obviously are public utilities and treat their customers like crap. I think Big Tech needs to shake up their lobbying division.

* Among those who understand internetworking, there has been debate about ISPs as utilities for a long time.

* ISPs present a cost and performance problem for most Americans, whereas social media giants present fundamental issues of society and speech. It's easier to see there is a problem, while also being harder to figure out.

Re: Facebook and Google Are Not Public Utilities

#15

It's weird that there's so much talk about Google and Facebook being public utilities and no talk about ISPs, which obviously are public utilities and treat their customers like crap. I think Big Tech needs to shake up their lobbying division.

The media doesn't feel threatened by ISPs, so we don't get negative articles about ISPs. But big tech _is_ a huge threat to traditional media.

Seems like it's easier for local governments to set up their own public broadband services than their own competing big tech companies. And there's been plenty coverage of the fight for public broadband and the pushback from monopolistic ISPs.

Re: Facebook and Google Are Not Public Utilities

#16
post #5

It's weird that there's so much talk about Google and Facebook being public utilities and no talk about ISPs, which obviously are public utilities and treat their customers like crap. I think Big Tech needs to shake up their lobbying division.

There is nothing that says public utilities can't treat their customers like crap...

At least with public utilities you can actually communicate with (many of) them by phone or email. Public utilities have to answer to someone and they don't like when dissatisfied customers file complaints (which creates work and potential blow back).

Re: Facebook and Google Are Not Public Utilities

#17
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing that says public utilities can't treat their customers like crap...

My ISP may treat me like crap but my ISP doesn't stop me from using the internet how I wish (aside from criminal activity, of course).

Most ISP won’t even care about your criminal activity either, without getting a court order.

Re: Facebook and Google Are Not Public Utilities

#19
As an aside, I'm really beginning to dislike titles for articles that have that dismissive tone of "This is my fact and I'm going to tell it to you". I know the reason they have to do this is that having a reasonable title won't get any clicks, but perhaps that's a sign I should just be disregarding places that are only looking for clicks in the first place. I think I'm going to mostly focus on smaller creators, single people who have don't have the pressures that these large companies have.

Actually, looking at the article itself, I'm surprised how little there is here. It comes in just under 900 characters, it fits in 4 tweets.

Re: Facebook and Google Are Not Public Utilities

#20
Many public institutions treat Google as public utility. Children can not attend school, unless they agree to privacy policy on school issued Chromebook. Town hall meetings announcements are only on FB...

If those are not public utilities, there should be law to prevent public institutions from using them.

I always seen it as public threat that politicians are on private social media, what if private company declares war on our behalf?

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