Signal has been adding lots of silly social media like features lately, not surprising that they are messing up the core value prop. I’m shopping for a new encrypted messenger. They used to say every program expands in scope until it can read email, now every app expands until you can add Snapchat filters to your selfies.
Signal on Android: Images sent to wrong contacts
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Re: Signal on Android: Images sent to wrong contacts
#12I was just talking about Signal one hour ago whether if it was available on PinePhones or the Librem 5 which seems very unclear, and now this happens on Android devices. Does this mean that not only I can't yet recommend a PinePhone or Librem 5 yet, but for current Android users I can't even recommend Signal to anyone due to this issue?
Email. Why are we still trying to push these instant messaging apps that are a privacy and security nightmare? (I realise email has security issues too).
Email has weaker EtoE encryption than these IM solutions. Even with GPG. Too much metadata is leaked. However the decentralised nature of email is one crucial advantage it has over these apps.
Re: Signal on Android: Images sent to wrong contacts
#13Signal has been adding lots of silly social media like features lately, not surprising that they are messing up the core value prop. I’m shopping for a new encrypted messenger. They used to say every program expands in scope until it can read email, now every app expands until you can add Snapchat filters to your selfies.
Every time something like this comes up, I say something like, "Who wants to switch to Matrix (ie, Element, and before that, Riot Chat)?"
But then, I myself don't end up doing it, largely because of the network effect on Signal.
I think we need to just remember to always keep 3-5 of them open so we can have some horizontal evolution.
Re: Signal on Android: Images sent to wrong contacts
#14Signal has been adding lots of silly social media like features lately, not surprising that they are messing up the core value prop. I’m shopping for a new encrypted messenger. They used to say every program expands in scope until it can read email, now every app expands until you can add Snapchat filters to your selfies.
It's necessary if you want to attract the mainstream users, who could not care less for e2e security but values stickers, filters and stories above all else.
Re: Signal on Android: Images sent to wrong contacts
#15I was just talking about Signal one hour ago whether if it was available on PinePhones or the Librem 5 which seems very unclear, and now this happens on Android devices. Does this mean that not only I can't yet recommend a PinePhone or Librem 5 yet, but for current Android users I can't even recommend Signal to anyone due to this issue?
Email. Why are we still trying to push these instant messaging apps that are a privacy and security nightmare? (I realise email has security issues too).
I really enjoy the email chains that have about 1mb of HTML for a footer. The chain ends up being 100s of MB for about 6 paragraphs of text. Very inefficient
Re: Signal on Android: Images sent to wrong contacts
#16Signal has been adding lots of silly social media like features lately, not surprising that they are messing up the core value prop. I’m shopping for a new encrypted messenger. They used to say every program expands in scope until it can read email, now every app expands until you can add Snapchat filters to your selfies.
Matrix is a solid replacement. Element isn't as easy to use but it's coming along. Quality-of-life features normal users expect like stickers, gifs, etc. are woefully lacking, but the important stuff (y'know, actual messaging) is solid.
The most important thing to me is if Element screws up like Signal and starts pushing a shitcoin, I can swap clients without affecting my network.
Re: Signal on Android: Images sent to wrong contacts
#17Signal has been adding lots of silly social media like features lately, not surprising that they are messing up the core value prop. I’m shopping for a new encrypted messenger. They used to say every program expands in scope until it can read email, now every app expands until you can add Snapchat filters to your selfies.
While I hate these features as much as everybody else on HN, they are likely necessary if they ever want the app to go mainstream.
Re: Signal on Android: Images sent to wrong contacts
#18Signal is becoming a joke that we should reconsider using, and now has dangerous bugs that is at the edge of compromising people's privacy.
Has this app/service really been audited properly?
We now need to consider serious alternatives that we should get behind like Element [0] or Session [1] but I am open to user friendly alternatives other than Signal (at worst even Quill [2] or Delta Chat [3]).
Re: Signal on Android: Images sent to wrong contacts
#19Signal is becoming a joke that we should reconsider using, and now has dangerous bugs that is at the edge of compromising people's privacy. Has this app/service really been audited properly? We now need to consider serious alternatives that we should get behind like Element [0] or Session [1] but I am open to user friendly alternatives other than Signal (at worst even Quill [2] or Delta Chat [3]). [0] https://element…
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Re: Signal on Android: Images sent to wrong contacts
#20While I suppose the protocol is not at fault and it's a UI and client bug it's still a huge problem. Just today I was thinking ”it's been weeks since they moved the GIF button to a different place but there's still the old button at the old place and when you click on it there's a pop-up "wrong, the button is somewhere else now"”. Why even keep the old button in the old place ? And it led me to thinking "what else co…
This underscores why it’s important to allow third party clients to connect. When only the first-party client is allowed, the failings of its UI drag down the core, too — it doesn’t matter how good the core is if it’s permanently mated to a half-baked UI.