Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about • Hacker News Board

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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Post by locallost » Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:06 PM UTC

I think the author is generally right that the format is difficult to do these days. Everything is on demand, and people are used to that. I certainly can't get used to sitting in front of a TV anymore and waiting for the scheduled programming, unless it's something that's really only possible at a certain time (think Super Bowl).

I think it's also true that Twitter has copied it with Spaces in a very useful way. I see it sometimes after a big event, people who are there anyway start it to discuss what they experienced.

But people wrote off Snapchat a few years back too, and apparently they're not doing bad these days even though I don't know anybody using it. Maybe the number of people online is so large now that you don't need total domination anymore to be successful, especially if only a small part of the users are creators and the rest just tunes in.

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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Post by makapuf » Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:07 PM UTC

api wrote: post #7

vidarh wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter is a cesspool with islands of high value. The cesspool is tolerable because you don't have to swim in it once you've found some decent islands. I'm guessing the others are similar, but I don't use them much. The problem appears to be that most social networks get to a stage where they've saturated their potential markets enough that their only way to grow is to find ways of growing engagement, and one major w…

Your first sentence also perfectly describes Reddit.

Also the Internet

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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Post by villgax » Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:08 PM UTC

I was pretty much aware of their capability considering how delayed they launched their Android counterpart considering the Agora SDK was literally geared towards making cross platform stuff a breeze.

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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Post by spodek » Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:09 PM UTC

People kept saying, "Josh, you have to get on Clubhouse. It's growing fast. A land grab. People are staking claims. You could be the sustainability guy on the site. Don't miss it." I don't use Apple, so had to borrow a friend's old phone to try using it.

I participated in a few conversations and met some people, but that's what I would have done otherwise. I'll still participate in it sometimes, but the iPhone has been sitting in the closet for a while and I haven't installed it on my regular phone. I don't regret the time I spent on it, but will be more prepared for the next trendy trend: "Oh, you mean like Clubhouse?"

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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Post by PragmaticPulp » Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:09 PM UTC

Havoc wrote: post #2

Not just clubhouse. I get the impression that a few of the major apps are dying. FB - nobody really seems to be posting anymore. Insta - two people actively posting on my feed (I think, hard to tell under all the ads pretending to be posts). Twitter and tiktok appear to be holding their own though. Seen more "delete twitter" sentiment lately though

> FB - nobody really seems to be posting anymore. Insta - two people actively posting on my feed

Their actual engagement numbers across the general population are quite good. This sounds more representative of your bubble using different platforms than the general state of the app.

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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Post by wly_cdgr » Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:11 PM UTC

Ed Zitron, the guy who wrote this, is a publicist. Whenever I see a publicist taking time out of their busy schedule to publicly tear down a brand, it always makes me curious about their current/future client list

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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Post by mathattack » Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:13 PM UTC

thejackgoode wrote: post #3

I enjoyed the Clubhouse for a week. There were very dense and valuable conversations in certain segments. However, it quickly became the case for changing the saying “marketers ruin everything” to “marketers ruin everything really really fast”

Scams and self promotion too. :-)

The speed of people adding and then ignoring outpaced Google Plus.

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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Post by peytoncasper » Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:14 PM UTC

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #15

Havoc wrote: post #2

Not just clubhouse. I get the impression that a few of the major apps are dying. FB - nobody really seems to be posting anymore. Insta - two people actively posting on my feed (I think, hard to tell under all the ads pretending to be posts). Twitter and tiktok appear to be holding their own though. Seen more "delete twitter" sentiment lately though

> FB - nobody really seems to be posting anymore. Insta - two people actively posting on my feed Their actual engagement numbers across the general population are quite good. This sounds more representative of your bubble using different platforms than the general state of the app.

I unfortunately don’t know how the numbers break down. However, I see a lot of people that use Facebook for groups. As a result, I wonder how much of their engagement is driven from people posting inside of various groups that might be private.

It might lead to the situation that OP describes where most of the “forum” conversation has died down but it’s thriving in various segments.

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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Post by mathattack » Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

tomhoward wrote: post #9

I joined CH in January, and I initially felt the same sense of excitement I felt when I first joined Twitter in early 2008 and started connecting with new, likeminded people. But that excitement died off within about two weeks, once I realised how little really interesting discussion there was. There were some highlights, and I still dip in now and again when a compelling name pops up, but it's mostly pretty uninspir…

The VCs take risks. It’s egg on their face but they made enough on Coinbase and others to cover the loss. The market cap may have been 4 billion but the amount invested dramatically less.

Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about

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Post by aetherson » Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 1:23 PM UTC

Clubhouse's moment in the spotlight seemed to be largely due to the eagerness of certain media types to try to embarrass VCs and silicon valley personalities. I think the appetite for "let's just find someone's social media output and shame them" is receding somewhat, and the lack of exclusivity in clubhouse is also attenuating its value there.