iDOS 2 will be gone soon • Hacker News Board

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by Joeri » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:43 PM UTC

yoavm wrote: post #7

Honest question - what do iOS users do in such situations? I'm using Android and we can always install things from outside the store, or even from alternative stores (eg. F-Droid). Is there any similar solution? If the app is open-source, can you at least build it yourself and sideload it as if you are the developer and you're testing your app? What solutions are there?

iOS users have mostly chosen to accept the walled garden. If they hadn’t, they would be android users.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by opheliate » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:44 PM UTC

When I was younger, my family couldn’t afford a laptop, but I have the distinct memory of wanting to learn to code on the iPads at my school, and being unable to find any app which would let me just write and execute programs. Looking around the App Store now, there do seem to be a couple of apps which would allow this, but it’s still really disappointing to see this kind of removal. The majority of kids these days will likely use a phone lots more than they use a laptop. For those who want to learn to code, why doesn’t Apple make it easier?

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by amelius » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:44 PM UTC

yoavm wrote: post #7

Honest question - what do iOS users do in such situations? I'm using Android and we can always install things from outside the store, or even from alternative stores (eg. F-Droid). Is there any similar solution? If the app is open-source, can you at least build it yourself and sideload it as if you are the developer and you're testing your app? What solutions are there?

Great hackers know when to give up.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by shkkmo » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:45 PM UTC

Apple can't enforce such basic App Store rules consistently, even when violations are deliberately and clearly mentioned in the submission... and we are supposed to believe that Apple can't allow other stores on the decice because THAT would compromise security...

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by spicybright » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:45 PM UTC

Again?

Any web browser based app runs executable code ffs.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by nanoscopic » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:45 PM UTC

ksec wrote: post #6

Ok, so if the customer bought it before they took it down. I could use it for as long as I could?

I'd like to know this as well. My guess is that you may have to install it on your device before it gets dropped from the Apple store.

Definitely have a cloud backup of your device enabled in case you need to ever reset your device so that you don't lose the app.

If you want to install it on another device things become more complex...

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by jhgb » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:45 PM UTC

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #9

withinboredom wrote: post #3

Yet another sad story of Apple's incompetence at running an app store.

643 billion dollars worth of incompetence over the year 2020. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/06/apple-developers-grow... >

How large is the Big Mac market? Surely larger than Kobe beef market, right?

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by meibo » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:46 PM UTC

yoavm wrote: post #7

Honest question - what do iOS users do in such situations? I'm using Android and we can always install things from outside the store, or even from alternative stores (eg. F-Droid). Is there any similar solution? If the app is open-source, can you at least build it yourself and sideload it as if you are the developer and you're testing your app? What solutions are there?

You can sign 7 apps a week for your own device with the tethered non-dev Apple ID. The certificates expire a week after, so you need to resign those 7 apps every week or they will stop working.

All of the "alternative" stores and distribution methods work with this mechanism, there is no better way and it is completely at Apple's whims.

Really, most interested users probably gave up at this point, looking at the decaying Jailbreak ecosystem.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by withinboredom » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:46 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #8

withinboredom wrote: post #3

Yet another sad story of Apple's incompetence at running an app store.

It's not incompetence if it's actually their rule. They are competently enforcing an arguably stupid rule.

Sure, if this was the first submission of the app, or the second. It isn't. It's had this feature and the intro explaining that it broke the rules from the get-go. But now, Apple suddenly backtracks it's decision to allow it AFTER the dev has already made sales based on the feature.

Apple should (in theory) give refunds for this, or make the developer whole somehow, because the dev's reputation is screwed.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by paulryanrogers » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:46 PM UTC

Joeri wrote: post #11

yoavm wrote: post #7

Honest question - what do iOS users do in such situations? I'm using Android and we can always install things from outside the store, or even from alternative stores (eg. F-Droid). Is there any similar solution? If the app is open-source, can you at least build it yourself and sideload it as if you are the developer and you're testing your app? What solutions are there?

iOS users have mostly chosen to accept the walled garden. If they hadn’t, they would be android users.

This assumes that users understand the implications of the garden they're buying into. For many there may be a strong bandwagon effect, and they don't fully grasp what they are losing.