Warning: There are some fairly graphic photos in here.
I can't help but think that if the actual impact of gun violence (and violence in general) was shown in the media, we'd have a lot less of it to deal with...
10 years since the Utoya massacre in Norway
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#12Ten years on, and it's chilling to consider how much more widespread Brevik's ideology has become worldwide. Ethnonationalism has elbowed its way to a seat at the table, demanding "toleration" for itself that it would never reciprocate for pluralism.
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#13Here's the page in English: https://www.vg.no/spesial/2021/22-juli/english/
“APPROX. 18:30: The son of Trond Berntsen (the security guard and police officer who was among the first to be killed) is standing in the sea on the southern tip when he comes face to face with Breivik. The terrorist shoots and kills five people in front of him. ‘Don’t shoot me!', the boy shouts, doing all he can to demonstrate to the gunman how small he is. Breivik does not shoot the ten year-old. According to the t…
The terrorist also chose to not shoot one guy because "he looked like a right-wing person, due to their clothing etc and that he saw a little bit of himself in the guy"[0][1]. Raging madness.
0, https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&u=https:/...
1, https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&u=https:/...
Re: 10 years since the Utoya massacre in Norway
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
“APPROX. 18:30: The son of Trond Berntsen (the security guard and police officer who was among the first to be killed) is standing in the sea on the southern tip when he comes face to face with Breivik. The terrorist shoots and kills five people in front of him. ‘Don’t shoot me!', the boy shouts, doing all he can to demonstrate to the gunman how small he is. Breivik does not shoot the ten year-old. According to the t…
Not sure I see the "mental gymnastics" here. Isn't it a usually accepted thing that young children have no clue? It makes "sense" (at least in the scope of Breivik's craziness) to consider that these kids were "victims" brought there by their parents or something. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant by "mental gymnastics". I think this expression usually applies when 2 contradicting /paradoxical statements are made…
He was attacking a youth camp and shot many young teens(I didn’t read every slide but one example I saw was a 14 YO girl hit four times) so I don’t see a difference. I guess I’m just shocked at seeing a weird attempt at “ethics” from someone who would do something like that.
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#15I remember how most were sure it was an islamistic assault.
In the aftermath the press gave him to much room with pictures of him and citations from his "manifest".
Even the attacker of the Christchurch mosque massacre referenced him.
Ban his name and pictures, remember his victims instead.
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#16Here's the page in English: https://www.vg.no/spesial/2021/22-juli/english/
“APPROX. 18:30: The son of Trond Berntsen (the security guard and police officer who was among the first to be killed) is standing in the sea on the southern tip when he comes face to face with Breivik. The terrorist shoots and kills five people in front of him. ‘Don’t shoot me!', the boy shouts, doing all he can to demonstrate to the gunman how small he is. Breivik does not shoot the ten year-old. According to the t…
How entire goal was to eradicate the most promising young people of the Labour Party, ie the country's likely future leaders. Iirc his idea was when the most promising political talents are dead, the party has to settle for less and will lose votes.
So it wasn't really mental gymnastics, it was a conscious attempt to curb a particular party's future. It's evil and it's nuts, but it makes logical sense. It's not dissimilar from genocide motives in that sense, just on a smaller scale.
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#17I remember how most were sure it was an islamistic assault. In the aftermath the press gave him to much room with pictures of him and citations from his "manifest". Even the attacker of the Christchurch mosque massacre referenced him. Ban his name and pictures, remember his victims instead.
And in the news this morning it was called a "drama" or "tragedy", not a "right-wing terrorist attack" as it would have been called if it was done by muslims.
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#18Weapons purchased completely legally.
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#19Warning: There are some fairly graphic photos in here.
I can't help but think that if the actual impact of gun violence (and violence in general) was shown in the media, we'd have a lot less of it to deal with...
Probably not though, gun violence is not caused by people not being aware of the consequences or the shock thereof. It's not even caused by gun ownership itself. There's a whole slew of issues behind gun violence in the US.
Re: 10 years since the Utoya massacre in Norway
#20The fact that Breivik cited Hindu Nationalism in his manifesto went under-reported totally. The guys he cited are today on Twitter spewing the same hatred day after day. Hindu Nationalism now rules over India and they aren't going anywhere.
World has changed so much within a decade.