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41 percent of consumers say their next car will be electric

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Re: 41 percent of consumers say their next car will be electric

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I’ve known a lot of people to say this, only to buy a gas powered vehicle when they realize that Teslas aren’t as cheap as they thought. The price gets even higher when they realize they need to hire an electrician to install a charging station for several thousand dollars. A Tesla Model 3 base model in white with no options will cost $41K with destination charge and no self-driving. Upgrade to the long range model,…

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Re: 41 percent of consumers say their next car will be electric

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I’ve known a lot of people to say this, only to buy a gas powered vehicle when they realize that Teslas aren’t as cheap as they thought. The price gets even higher when they realize they need to hire an electrician to install a charging station for several thousand dollars. A Tesla Model 3 base model in white with no options will cost $41K with destination charge and no self-driving. Upgrade to the long range model,…

A Model 3 is cheaper over five years than a Camry Hybrid considering total cost of ownership [1].

The cost to install an EV charging station can be as low as $500, but if it does cost more due to having to have your load center/breaker panel replaced, the US government has a 30% tax credit up to $1000 to offset the costs.

The Tesla Supercharger network is extensive [2], and continues to grow by the week; charging at one takes ~20-30 minutes. Other networks with less coverage are available for Teslas (with an adapter) and non-Teslas alike.

It does't hurt that jurisdictions continue to enact deadlines for combustion vehicle bans [3].

[1] https://insideevs.com/features/521424/tesla-model3-camry-hyb...

[2] https://supercharge.info/map

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehic...

Re: 41 percent of consumers say their next car will be electric

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I’ve known a lot of people to say this, only to buy a gas powered vehicle when they realize that Teslas aren’t as cheap as they thought. The price gets even higher when they realize they need to hire an electrician to install a charging station for several thousand dollars. A Tesla Model 3 base model in white with no options will cost $41K with destination charge and no self-driving. Upgrade to the long range model,…

A Model 3 is cheaper over five years than a Camry Hybrid considering total cost of ownership [1]. The cost to install an EV charging station can be as low as $500, but if it does cost more due to having to have your load center/breaker panel replaced, the US government has a 30% tax credit up to $1000 to offset the costs. The Tesla Supercharger network is extensive [2], and continues to grow by the week; charging at…

If you look closely at your first source, you’ll notice it’s specific to Australia, and assumes Australian prices for gas and electricity, as well a hugely different depreciation for the two cars.

Doing the same math for most American states will punish the Tesla.

Re: 41 percent of consumers say their next car will be electric

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Model 3 is cheaper over five years than a Camry Hybrid considering total cost of ownership [1]. The cost to install an EV charging station can be as low as $500, but if it does cost more due to having to have your load center/breaker panel replaced, the US government has a 30% tax credit up to $1000 to offset the costs. The Tesla Supercharger network is extensive [2], and continues to grow by the week; charging at…

If you look closely at your first source, you’ll notice it’s specific to Australia, and assumes Australian prices for gas and electricity, as well a hugely different depreciation for the two cars. Doing the same math for most American states will punish the Tesla.

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Re: 41 percent of consumers say their next car will be electric

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Model 3 is cheaper over five years than a Camry Hybrid considering total cost of ownership [1]. The cost to install an EV charging station can be as low as $500, but if it does cost more due to having to have your load center/breaker panel replaced, the US government has a 30% tax credit up to $1000 to offset the costs. The Tesla Supercharger network is extensive [2], and continues to grow by the week; charging at…

If you look closely at your first source, you’ll notice it’s specific to Australia, and assumes Australian prices for gas and electricity, as well a hugely different depreciation for the two cars. Doing the same math for most American states will punish the Tesla.

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Re: 41 percent of consumers say their next car will be electric

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I don’t see how this article isn’t cherry picked. - How about those in cold climates where batteries don’t last nearly as long. - upper middle-class and higher only? Most apartments don’t have hookups. Those that do don’t have enough for 10% of the residents. How many home have hookups? How many families have $10k laying around to install hookups? Beyond the fact that it’s not reasonable at all for most Americans, no…

Adding a 220 outlet isn't outrageously expensive and it is only needed once as it will work with any future EVs. Adding a circuit and outlet to my garage cost $500 and I use the charging adapter that came with the car. And as for the grid not being able to handle the load - we were able to roll out air conditioning to every home in a couple of decades. I believe this is a solvable problem.

A solvable problem but not in the time-frame to support these 41% that are thinking about it for their next car.

Re: 41 percent of consumers say their next car will be electric

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As someone in the USs midwest, EVs are a really tough sell for me. Charging is slow in the best case scenario, charging stations are few and far between, there are few "affordable" options, and it's unclear how well current models will retain their value in 6+ years. I'm hopeful for the tech, but I certainly can't see myself buying a fully electric vehicle before 2030.

Most people I know around here seem to have similar reservations at best. Plus the majority of vehicles here are trucks and SUVs, for which there are still very few EV options.

Re: 41 percent of consumers say their next car will be electric

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Model 3 is cheaper over five years than a Camry Hybrid considering total cost of ownership [1]. The cost to install an EV charging station can be as low as $500, but if it does cost more due to having to have your load center/breaker panel replaced, the US government has a 30% tax credit up to $1000 to offset the costs. The Tesla Supercharger network is extensive [2], and continues to grow by the week; charging at…

If you look closely at your first source, you’ll notice it’s specific to Australia, and assumes Australian prices for gas and electricity, as well a hugely different depreciation for the two cars. Doing the same math for most American states will punish the Tesla.

US prices for fuel are lower, but so is the cost of electricity in the US. It’s about half the cost per mile to drive an EV vs a light combustion vehicle.

Re: 41 percent of consumers say their next car will be electric

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adding a 220 outlet isn't outrageously expensive and it is only needed once as it will work with any future EVs. Adding a circuit and outlet to my garage cost $500 and I use the charging adapter that came with the car. And as for the grid not being able to handle the load - we were able to roll out air conditioning to every home in a couple of decades. I believe this is a solvable problem.

A solvable problem but not in the time-frame to support these 41% that are thinking about it for their next car.

If half of American commuters switched to EVs, the daily energy demand on the grid would only increase by 10-15%. The difference between peak load and average load is close to 30%, so we could handle that new EV load with the existing generation capacity. We just need market solutions to incentivize owners to charge during off peak hours, which most utilities already have via time-of-use rates and EV-specific plans.

Re: 41 percent of consumers say their next car will be electric

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I don't even had a car for the 6 last years. I don't commute(remote work), If I need items I do home delivery, If I need to be somewhere I ride my motorcycle or a cab.

I love enduro riding and MX racing though. Tried to do this electric didn't really like it. Maybe it will grow on me when it improves.

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