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Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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>If you are a Firefox user, you don’t have to do anything to benefit from this security advancement. The epitome of corporate speak: "we're taking away a feature of this software. You're welcome." I expect that kind of talk from Google; hearing it from Mozilla makes me a little sad.

but why?

maintaining features is cost

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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This is frustrating. FTP is really handy for distributing some files and there are lots of servers in place that now Firefox users can’t access.

One can argue that servers should upgrade, and that’s valid. But they don’t and they likely won’t do this just harms Firefox’s user base and is one more reason I no longer recommend Firefox. They just don’t seem user friendly as they once were.

I would expect Mozilla to advocate for more FTP as a cheap way of distributing files.

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

#13
post #8

I expect this to have very little impact on anything.

Yeah ftp support should be backed in the operating system. In KDE, it's simple to open an ftp link in Dolphin as if it was a local folder and I think it's the same for GNOME, but I have no idea about if it's possible in macOS and windows.

FTP support works in Windows explorer.

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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post #12

This is frustrating. FTP is really handy for distributing some files and there are lots of servers in place that now Firefox users can’t access. One can argue that servers should upgrade, and that’s valid. But they don’t and they likely won’t do this just harms Firefox’s user base and is one more reason I no longer recommend Firefox. They just don’t seem user friendly as they once were. I would expect Mozilla to advo…

People made exactly the same arguments, almost to the letter, about universalizing TLS. The arguments were made in good faith, often by very clueful people, but it's hard to dispute the positive results of the change. FTP needs to go.

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

#15
post #8

I expect this to have very little impact on anything.

Yeah ftp support should be backed in the operating system. In KDE, it's simple to open an ftp link in Dolphin as if it was a local folder and I think it's the same for GNOME, but I have no idea about if it's possible in macOS and windows.

Last I checked FTP was part of the web?

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

#16
A friend asked me to help him to setup a FTP server for his b2b product a few weeks ago: Client just wanted that lolz.

Luckily I could convince him to use ProFTPD with sftp http://proftpd.org/docs/contrib/mod_sftp.html . This is very neat as the service runs on their own ssh-alike port.

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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post #5
post #2

>If you are a Firefox user, you don’t have to do anything to benefit from this security advancement. The epitome of corporate speak: "we're taking away a feature of this software. You're welcome." I expect that kind of talk from Google; hearing it from Mozilla makes me a little sad.

While I agree with removing FTP support, I also agree that phrasing is pretty disgusting.

Describing ads ("sponsored tiles") as "user-enhancing" is arguably worse.

https://twitter.com/dherman76/status/433320156496789504

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

#18
post #2

>If you are a Firefox user, you don’t have to do anything to benefit from this security advancement. The epitome of corporate speak: "we're taking away a feature of this software. You're welcome." I expect that kind of talk from Google; hearing it from Mozilla makes me a little sad.

I think what really hurts, for me, is that this has become the general tone from Mozilla - whether the changes are ones I'd agree with or not.

I remember back when the Spread Firefox campaign was still around - at the time, Firefox and Mozilla in general felt grassroots, fun, and human. Like a club anyone could join and that anyone would want their friends, family, coworkers, and even strangers or people they didn't like to get in on: an all-in-this-together effort for a better internet.

Anymore, Mozilla feels more and more corporate, more like a company - even as Google Chrome (and the many browsers built from Chromium) eats away more and of their market share and they move toward being "the little guy" again - and less and less like a group of people.

I think what I really miss is having a browser that made me care about it beyond just wanting alternatives.

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"not within the charter of a modern web browser" That barrier seems pretty porous these days. Being that you can access serial ports via JS, for example :)

Hmmm... would it be possible to write an ftp client in browser JS? I think probably not.

I don’t program web sites or web browsers, but with wasm or web sockets can’t you make a web page that opens a connection and sends arbitrary binary data to another server without any http?

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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post #13
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah ftp support should be backed in the operating system. In KDE, it's simple to open an ftp link in Dolphin as if it was a local folder and I think it's the same for GNOME, but I have no idea about if it's possible in macOS and windows.

FTP support works in Windows explorer.

As it does in the Finder in macOS.
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