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Why are so many cops blasting music while being filmed? [video]

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Re: Why are so many cops blasting music while being filmed? [video]

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Post by giantg2 »

lowercased wrote: post #4

i'd think self-hosting or smaller platforms might be able to circumvent this... I've may have asked before but... Why aren't the cops hit with license violations for public performance of these songs? They likely don't have a BMI license (or... whatever you need).

"Why aren't the cops hit with license violations for public performance of these songs?"

Because when you're in a position of power you get to do what you want. But probably also that playing on a personal device is not considered public performance (although courts have ruled officer actions on duty are public and recording them is not subject to privacy most laws, which could make it public performance, but good luck getting a court to agree)

Re: Why are so many cops blasting music while being filmed? [video]

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Post by jeffbee »

lowercased wrote: post #4

i'd think self-hosting or smaller platforms might be able to circumvent this... I've may have asked before but... Why aren't the cops hit with license violations for public performance of these songs? They likely don't have a BMI license (or... whatever you need).

Self-hosting has essentially no ability to reach people. You'll be DoS'd off the map if your video is even remotely popular. You need a real platform to reach the public. That's why people care about the moderation and takedown policies of the big platforms. Self-hosting won't ever solve the problem.

Re: Why are so many cops blasting music while being filmed? [video]

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Post by wayneftw »

lowercased wrote: post #4

i'd think self-hosting or smaller platforms might be able to circumvent this... I've may have asked before but... Why aren't the cops hit with license violations for public performance of these songs? They likely don't have a BMI license (or... whatever you need).

Are copyrights like trademarks? i.e. if you don't enforce them, they stop existing?

That would be convenient.

Re: Why are so many cops blasting music while being filmed? [video]

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Post by kybernetikos »

bqmjjx0kac wrote: post #8
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. Minimal editing will remove the music though, plus it's still evidence in a court so it's an attempt to avoid public outrage. App idea: Strip copyrighted music from a video while retaining voice. Shouldn't edit the original video though, it's evidence.

Interesting idea, but wouldn't the resulting video technically be a derivative work of the copyrighted music? Not saying that kills the idea, it's just an extra complication.

I'd be surprised if that was the legal view. If I take a picture of someone next to the Mona Lisa and then crop the Mona Lisa out of it, that doesn't make the picture of the person a derivative work of the Mona Lisa.

Re: Why are so many cops blasting music while being filmed? [video]

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Post by flir »

jasongill wrote: post #9
lowercased wrote: post #4

i'd think self-hosting or smaller platforms might be able to circumvent this... I've may have asked before but... Why aren't the cops hit with license violations for public performance of these songs? They likely don't have a BMI license (or... whatever you need).

If you watch the video, they cover this ("Why aren't the cops hit with license violations for public performance of these songs?") - basically, a judge would have to be convinced by the rightsholders that they intended for the music to be heard by a wide audience, which is clearly the opposite of what they want. It's the same reason that you can't be "hit with license violations" for listening to music in your car wi…

Intend, or are aware it will happen?

Re: Why are so many cops blasting music while being filmed? [video]

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Post by bqmjjx0kac »

kybernetikos wrote: post #14
bqmjjx0kac wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting idea, but wouldn't the resulting video technically be a derivative work of the copyrighted music? Not saying that kills the idea, it's just an extra complication.

I'd be surprised if that was the legal view. If I take a picture of someone next to the Mona Lisa and then crop the Mona Lisa out of it, that doesn't make the picture of the person a derivative work of the Mona Lisa.

I don't know if image cropping is a good metaphor. The algorithm for removing copyrighted music while preserving other sound presumably "subtracts" the copyrighted music. Thus, the copyrighted music is used to create the music-less video.

IANAL, so I defer to anyone with legal expertise.

Re: Why are so many cops blasting music while being filmed? [video]

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Post by kop316 »

jasongill wrote: post #9
lowercased wrote: post #4

i'd think self-hosting or smaller platforms might be able to circumvent this... I've may have asked before but... Why aren't the cops hit with license violations for public performance of these songs? They likely don't have a BMI license (or... whatever you need).

If you watch the video, they cover this ("Why aren't the cops hit with license violations for public performance of these songs?") - basically, a judge would have to be convinced by the rightsholders that they intended for the music to be heard by a wide audience, which is clearly the opposite of what they want. It's the same reason that you can't be "hit with license violations" for listening to music in your car wi…

> a judge would have to be convinced by the rightsholders that they intended for the music to be heard by a wide audience, which is clearly the opposite of what they want.

I would actually argue exactly that they are intending for the music to be heard by a wide audience. Their audience is "anyone physically around so they know that filming will have this affect".

Re: Why are so many cops blasting music while being filmed? [video]

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Post by rlpb »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #3
gadders wrote: post #2

Spoiler alert: they hope that the copyrighted music stops the video being allowed to be shown on Youtube etc.

Yup. Minimal editing will remove the music though, plus it's still evidence in a court so it's an attempt to avoid public outrage. App idea: Strip copyrighted music from a video while retaining voice. Shouldn't edit the original video though, it's evidence.

Even just removing the audio entirely from the affected sections and providing subtitles instead should do, surely? Point out that the perpetrator deliberately played music to try to prevent publication and they will lose any claim of the subtitles being false or edited in the court of public opinion. And surely this attempt to block publication will amplify any outrage.

Re: Why are so many cops blasting music while being filmed? [video]

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Post by ankurpatel »

kybernetikos wrote: post #14
bqmjjx0kac wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting idea, but wouldn't the resulting video technically be a derivative work of the copyrighted music? Not saying that kills the idea, it's just an extra complication.

I'd be surprised if that was the legal view. If I take a picture of someone next to the Mona Lisa and then crop the Mona Lisa out of it, that doesn't make the picture of the person a derivative work of the Mona Lisa.

They don't mean the end result but the process of detecting something requires you to have a copy of that work and hence your software needs the copyrighted material in order to detect copyrighted songs to remove accurately.
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